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nutsnbolts
Rank: Sony Aficionado
Joined: Mar 22, 2004
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 |  Posted: 2011-09-14 11:40
Hi all , especially you Maxx , how have you been?
I haven't been around in a while due to personal matters but it's nice to see the community alive and well.
So , I have an opportunity to snag a 9000es receiver in my own city (go figure). Here's the thing , I have a 7100 es and the NS9100ES i-Linked. Outside of the fact that the 9000es does not have HDMI would it have any decernable advantage over my 7100ES?
I'm chomping at the bit -should I ? shouldn't I ? . . .
I've always wanted that monster. Having said that I'm happy with my 7100's performance.
What do you fella's think? All input greatly appreciated!
Thanx everyone.
Robert.
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Sony 7100ES , Sony BDPS1 , Sony 52XBR5 , Sony DVP-NS9100ES ,Monster Eleganza 5.1
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nutsnbolts
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Joined: Mar 22, 2004
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| Posted: 2011-09-14 13:32
Well i bought it! $500 , couldnt say no. omg what have i done
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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
 | Posted: 2011-09-14 14:23
You have bought the best receiver for $500 available today PERIOD!
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scott1019
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Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-09-14 14:24
Now that means you can sell me the 7100ES  .
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Maxxwire
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
 | Posted: 2011-09-14 17:00
nutsnbolts- Congratulations on acquiring your new Sony DA9000ES Receiver! We have seen a lot of really great Sony gear being nabbed by Agoraquest Members up there in BC lately and finding a $4,5000 MSRP DA9000ES Digital Receiver for $500 is going to make a lot of people wish that they lived in Vancouver!
Having owned both the DA3000ES and the DA7100ES Digital Receivers I'm sure that you must be thrilled to now own the DA9000ES. Are you going to be using the DA9000ES at the Zero Gravity Recording Studios or will you be installing it in your own personal Audio System?
How have I been? Let me explain... I'm sure you know having a great piece of Audio is only the first step in getting it to perform at its absolute peak potential. Just recently I installed a Musical Fidelity V-Link Asynchronous 24/96 USB-S/PDIF Converter between my Win 7 x64 computer and my DB 930 Receiver which allows the DB 930 for the first time to control the rate of the Digital bitstream and the DB 930 now sounds even better than it did using the $10,000 Audio Alchemy DTI Pro/DTI Pro 32 i2s Bus 5 picosecond jitter Digital front end in my Reference Audio System.
Working at the Zero Gravity Recording Studios I'm sure that you are quite aware of the sonic benefits of Asynchronous playback directly from a Music file on a computer at zero jitter. The V-Link and its Reference quality wiring has taken the performance of my DB 930 to new heights that far exceed the factory stock DA7100ES Receivers that I have auditioned by an order of magnitude in terms of transparency and sound quality showing how zero jitter Asynchronous playback is able to completely transform the sound quality of a Receiver that once sounded on a par with the DA7100ES proving the principal that its not what you start with, but rather what you end up with that counts!
Another very positive aspect to using an Asynchronous USB-S/PDIF Converter is that they are very economical to acquire as the DA9000ES you just purchased was in fact the V-Link only cost $169 and like I said it wildly outperforms my $10,000 i2s Digital front end!
So again congratulations on your new DA9000ES and I'm hoping that you will keep us posted as you proceed to get every last drop of Resolution and Sound Quality from your new DA9000ES Digital Receiver.
~Maxx~
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A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
.....The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930
Sony H-9 MaxxPix
[ This message was edited by: Maxxwire on 2011-09-14 17:50 ]
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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-09-14 18:15
Connecting a device like the V-link to the fully digital receiver like the DA9000ES could have very profound beneits, even better than using the i.Link interface.
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Maxxwire
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2011-09-14 19:30
Yes, iLink has a measures 40 ps of jitter, Audio Alchemy dual i2s Bus processing measures 5 ps of jitter and as an example the V-Link Asynchronous 24/96 USB-S/PDIF Converter would allow the DA9000ES to Asynchronously control the rate of the bitstream from the computer at zero ps which must be like the Digital form of Zero Gravity.
* The spikes at the bottom of the graph were left by the J-Test hardware that the measurement was done with.
~Maxx~
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scott1019
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From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-09-14 21:05
That along with the fully digital amplification could result in some remarkable sound indeed!
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2011-09-14 22:00
Although S-Master Digital amplification does have the capability to provide great sounding playback so do other well designed types of amplification and I do not see why Audio equipment that uses Digital amplification should benefit any more or less than competently designed Solid State or Vacuum Tube Audio equipment would.
The truth is that 24/96 Asynchronous Digital Audio is capable of radically improving the sound quality of any type of gear regardless of its type of amplification it uses because Asynchronous Digital Audio is an equal opportunity Sound Quality Improver.
If history repeats itself and nutsnbolts with his many years of Recording Studio experience does decide touse Asynchronous Digital Audio with his new S-Master Pro Digital Receiver he may end up showing us all a few things about its application.
~Maxx~
 Sony H-9 MaxxPix
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2011-09-15 00:00
nutsnbolts- I saw this a few minutes ago and I thought of you and your new DA9000ES. I apologize for all of the discussion about Asynchronous Digital Audio, but so far here at Agoraquest only sonyeslover (also of BC) and I have adopted the technology and there are many others who have not tried it yet and are speculating about how it might work with different kinds of gear.
I am hoping that you will share the initial impressions of how your DA9000ES sounds compared to your Sony DA3000ES and DA7100ES Receivers.
~Maxx~
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A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
.....The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930
Sony H-9 MaxxPix
[ This message was edited by: Maxxwire on 2011-09-15 03:15 ]
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mykyll2727
Rank: Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
 | Posted: 2011-09-15 20:37
I keep seeing prices on used DA9000ES' that tempt me to just buy one as a replacement for mine and hope for the best w/regard to longevity. It's one of the options that keep my processor decisions stick in limbo.
nutsnbolts_I think you'll find that for your $500 you've got what quite possibly may be the best sounding receiver ever. I know as I have one._mykl
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scott1019
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From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-09-15 20:49
I couldn't agree more! Look at that giant transformer. Reminds me of the one used in my Classe Seventy despite it being a Mosfet amp.
And I agree, it doesn't matter what type of amplification you use, all forms can benefit from Asynch USB.. I was referring to the benefits of keeping the signal entirely in the digital domain inside the DA9000ES before it hits the speakers.
On the used market there is no better receiver available for under $1000 than the 9000ES or 7100ES... The DA777ES and DB930 very close, but the lack of i.link really does it for me.
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2011-09-15 21:15
On 2011-09-15 20:37, mykyll2727 wrote:
I keep seeing prices on used DA9000ES' that tempt me to just buy one as a replacement for mine and hope for the best w/regard to longevity.
_mykl- At such a bargain price for the $4,500 MSRP DA9000ES it would be a very economical replacement or depending on your plans for the future of your Audio System it could provide the processing you need to keep your Audio System fully functioning and allow you plenty of time to research an alternative source of processing should you find processing that better suits the future needs of your Audio System.
~Maxx~
 Sony H-9 MaxxPix
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mykyll2727
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Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2011-09-16 01:02
Maxx_It's definitely something I'm considering. Though it would only be a stop-gap measure for the price it might be worth it. It would be a stop-gap because for a variety of reasons I want XLRs from the processor. I still haven't sorted it out yet. No question though, if I go with something else I'll definitely miss that big, silver Sony ES.
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2011-09-16 03:09
_mykl- There is a lot of good to be said about true balanced circuitry and it takes someone with your experience and expertise to differentiate a true balanced topology from a faux balanced one.
I don't know either how things will turn out with your Audio System, but if things go well it sounds like you may be shocking the Membership by someday referring to this transitional DA900ES as the Sound System in your bedroom. Nothing fancy mind you just a $4,500 S-Master Pro Digital Sony Receiver to watch the occasional movie with that's all.
~Maxx~
 Sony H-9 MaxxPix
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