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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
 |  Posted: 2011-07-12 17:52
I have been looking into getting a Universal Blu-Ray player for my dedicated home theater room and as much as I would like to get a Sony, the versatility of the Oppo BDP-83 really makes me want to go this route.
Also, is there any need for sending my audio through HDMI or will the Blu-Ray player already decode the lossles codecs and send them via the multi-channel out?
Thanks guys.
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NiteHawk
Rank: Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Oct 25, 2001
Posts: 2596
From: Poughkeepsie, New York
 | Posted: 2011-07-12 18:26
Nice choice, considering it plays all disc formats. The BDP-83 decodes Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio internally, giving you the option of using the 7.1 analog pre-outs. Nice option to have for older receivers.
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Skytrooper
Rank: Sony Addict
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
Posts: 183
From: Baden,Pa.
 | Posted: 2011-07-14 17:17
Get the BDP-83. I love mine. Nothing bad to say about it after owning it for 1 1/2 years. The analog out audio is amazing.
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mykyll2727
Rank: Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
 | Posted: 2011-07-14 17:32
I too am looking at an Oppo. They are my first choice. The BDP-83 has been discontinued but I'm sure you can find a used one,. The new BDP-93/95 models have 3D playback. The less expensive 93 is my top choice right now as I'm unsure, given my system, if I'd really benefit from the superior audio of the 95._mykl
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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-07-14 17:44
I don't have the need for 3D, nor do I see it being anything more than a novelty. I would like to be able to utilize the newer audio formats and have a player that has 7.1 analog outs.
My Pioneer ELITE 59AVi sent via i.Link to a Pioneer ELITE 55TXi is something special. Nearly comparable to the 9100ES/7100ES combo. The digital amps in the 7100ES puts it over the top. This set-up will play everything except Blu-Ray.
Its been difficult for me to let go of this set-up for something like the Oppo BDP-83 in which I would have to send audio via the 7.1 analog outputs to a receiver like a DA5ES. I doubt there will be much of an increase in sound or video quality over my current set-up. I'll just be able to play Blu-ray.
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mykyll2727
Rank: Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2011-07-15 04:42
scott1019_I understand your position completely. I'm not sold on 3D either which is why I haven't bought a player yet. I, like you, want BluRay though. But I'm thinking if I'm going to add BR I might as well get 3D. It's the analog outs of Oppo (and it being a true universal player) that gives it's appeal to me and my feeling is I better get one before they too stop making units with analog outs._mykl
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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-07-15 06:58
It sounds like good minds think alike  . If the Oppo had an i.link interface I would already have a 7100ES/9000ES to utlilize the DSD stream. However, I believe I can achieve very comparable results sending the multi-channel outs to a receiver like the DA5ES.
I just am not sold on the use of HDMi for sending DSD from SACD and DolybyHD and DTS-HD. Its not that I think the interface or PQLS/HATS decoding is inherently flawed, its just that I think the hardware to support it is mediocre at best.
I would have to go the route of separates anyways to get the same result as sending the multi-channel outs of the Oppo to a legacy receiver like the DA5ES. If only Sony would have continued their efforts towards a receiver like the DA7100ES/9000ES to optimize the HDMi interface I would be ALL over it.
The addition of several HDMi inputs, 3D pass-through, and the ability to decode the newer formats on the current crop of receivers has been at the cost of build quality and most importantly sound quality. This is across the board for ALL manufacturers. I have tried several different brands including Pioneer ELITE, HK, Denon, Yamaha, and several Sony ES receivers including my current 3300ES and 4600ES. The best sound I have gotten with HDMi has come from sending my PS3's LPCM stream to my 3300ES. There are synching issues not yet worked out with HDMi especially in the LFE track and its just doesn't sound right. Only a very expensive Rotel processor got it right. Sound from a DSD feed via HDMi was as good as my Pioneer ELITE gear sent via i.Link, but it cost $1299. Not a pill I want to swallow. I also tried the new Emotiva processor and was NOT impressed at all. Not a product I would ever recommend.
The degradation of the video quality put in the nail in the coffin for me in the use of HDMi when sending its audio track to a receiver. The scalars used in receivers are flat out awful, in ALL cases my TV does a better job at up-converting. The PS3, Pioneer ELITE 59AVi, and Oppo BDP-93 only do a slightly better job than my TV, but the receiver's I tried did a very poor job at upconverting. I think this is the case of company's having to meet a pricepoint for a product that the consumer expects to do everything and there will be compromises. I personally like the idea of a company build a receiver with two separate components with separate power supplies for audio and video. Although I doubt that "Joe Consumer" would really care to have better performance. They are told by the guy at Best Buy that what they are listening to is the best out there, and why would they question a guy making $10/hr. who has no clue about anything...!?
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Skytrooper
Rank: Sony Addict
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
Posts: 183
From: Baden,Pa.
| Posted: 2011-07-15 19:39
HDMI video to the LCD, 7.1 analog audio to the DA4 will be the way I go for many years to come.
The price of a new BDP-83 was over 2K at Christmas time. What was up with that ?
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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-07-15 19:42
Or in my case to my Projector.. If I feel the need to have to have a Blu-Ray player this is what I am going to do. Only the Oppo would be an upgrade to my Pioneer 59AVi. DVD video is as good as anything and audio is as good as it can get sent via i.Link.
If only the BDP-83 had i.Link I'd have a Sony 7100ES/9000ES right now and would not have the need to upgrade for many, many years to come.
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mykyll2727
Rank: Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2011-07-16 03:45
I have a STR-DA9000ES and if any of the Oppos had iLink it would the perfect player. Well it'd be pefect if it came in silver. I agree that the Oppos have to built to a pricepoint so there must be some sacrifices but at their pricepoints they're awesome buys given what they do.
I too wish Sony had a modern version of the 9000/7100 units. Like you I'd be all over it. Interestingly Nick's aka Welwynnick, who's opinions and experiences I greatly respect and the only person I know to own a TA-DA9100ES,( We've had many conversations on other sites as well as here.) experiences have caused him to feel that the HDMI circuits in a unit can severely degrade it's sound quality. Seems they can create alot of noise and interference. He also is less than thrilled with DSD sent thru HDMI._mykl
[ This message was edited by: mykyll2727 on 2011-07-16 03:59 ]
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mykyll2727
Rank: Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2011-07-16 03:48
On 2011-07-15 19:39, Skytrooper wrote:
.The price of a new BDP-83 was over 2K at Christmas time. What was up with that ?
Really!!! I never saw any prices like that for stock units. Are you sure that wasn't a modded unit? There are many companies offering mods to the Oppos._mykl
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Skytrooper
Rank: Sony Addict
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
Posts: 183
From: Baden,Pa.
| Posted: 2011-07-17 12:34
Not sure if they were modded units. I saw those prices on Amazon.
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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-07-19 16:59
Def. modded units, they were never higher than $899 even when they were first released. I know they made a Special Edition version though, perhaps this was it??
Check out this list of players that sends i.Link. I can confirm that my 59AVi sends i.Link, and has better video specs than the 79AVi for less money?? Hmm..
http://groups.google.com/group/surroundsound/web/list-of-sacd-players-with-pure-dsd-digital-output
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mykyll2727
Rank: Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2011-07-21 03:29
Scott_Thanks for the link. Interesting that Sony, co-inventer of SACD and who was the first to send DSD thru iLink, only made two players that did it. Well three really. The ultra-rare $12k SCD-DR1 isn't listed. But that number pales compared to the number made by other makers such as Denon and Pioneer._mykl
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scott1019
Rank: Sonyphile
Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 543
From: USA>>Ohio
| Posted: 2011-07-22 14:26
There's a SCD-1 on Ebay right now. Might be worth checking out.
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