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    HDBaseT to replace HDMI cables Dashboard
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    The-Ish316

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      Posted: 2010-09-03 20:31

    According to an article on PCWorld.com, HDMI is likely going to have some competition and may be on its way out.  An I would say, "Glad to hear it!"  I'm just not too sure how much better HTBaseT will be considering the size of the wires being used.  How can such small wires be better than the larger ones?  Then add power inside the wire bundle.  With some of the high end folks taking great pains to separate power from audio, how would this be high quality?  

    I have had the same concerns with HDMI (without the power bundled in).  Do you think that quality is being sacrificed for the sake of convenience?  I am all for convenience, but...  Then, don't get me started on wireless HD connections...

    'nuff said,

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    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2010-09-06 01:17

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    On 2010-09-03 20:31, The-Ish316 wrote:
    Do you think that quality is being sacrificed for the sake of convenience?



    This has been the business model for A/V gear for decades!

    ~Maxx~



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    The-Ish316

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      Posted: 2010-09-06 08:37

    I suspect then, that the only solution to this concern is to mod the hardware.  Yikes!  That sounds like that could get very expensive.  I am enjoying the audio of my blu-ray player via the multi-channel inputs.  I have less control, but it seems "cleaner" somehow.  (I'm not sure how else to describe it)  

    Has anyone taken apart an HDMI cable to see what lies within it?  I'm curious.  I've seen the innards of an RJ-45 Ethernet cable and know that those wires are TINY.  Considering the size of the HDMI cables and the bulk of the insulation, I'm guessing they are tinier.  Or is the signal a jumble of digital info that's encoded/decoded at either end?

    Another thought: how big are the leads inside our A/V gear to the connectors leading out of our A/V gear?  I'm guessing that they usually are also pretty small.  How might this affect the quality of the signal?  When I upgraded to higher gauge speaker wire, I experienced a vast improvement in sound quality.  Could fatter "pipes" all the way through the path create even more improvement?  



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    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2010-09-06 15:39

    The size of the wire can be important especially when it comes to speaker wires, but the kind of wire used for a conductor and its conductivity are far more important to overall performance and sound quality. For example I had the internal wiring in my Power Amp replaced with Pure Copper wire with Teflon dielectric and the result was a huge improvement over the OEM wiring which was extra long for easy assembly.

    As far as improved quality Ethernet wires for the emerging HTBaseT equipment is concerned Denon came out with the Denon Link AK-DL1 2 years ago and although it is way overpriced at $500 there are sure to follow even better built higher quality HTBaseT interconnects at much more affordable prices if HTBaseT ever does become accepted by enthusiasts who are concerned about getting improved levels of performance from their SOTA gear.





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    The-Ish316

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      Posted: 2010-09-06 15:49

    Thanks, Maxx!  I really appreciate the exploded view of the Denon cable and the explanation yo offered on the difference upgraded connections make on the inside of components.   I just don't know what "SOTA gear" is.  Is that referring to the brand of turntable makers?



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    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2010-09-06 17:41

    SOTA is an acronym for State Of The Art which is where the High End Turntable maker derived its name from.

    Denon has been using this 8 wire interface for some time and they have developed some very high quality gear that uses it, but it has yet to be seen whether or not it is widely adopted in the industry.

    ~Maxx~



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