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From: Chicago,IL, USA
Posted: 2006-11-02 23:48
MMMike,
Thanks for the thorough follow up on Mav's 3.1 PC. I think all of us who are following this thread were hoping that Rick's power conditioner would have the success your hearing.
I love it that you have resonance tuned the 3.1. I know in my case using a set Vibrapods on my Panamax conditioner made a difference.
Any chance of seeing those pictures Rick shared with you?
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From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
Posted: 2006-11-03 04:29
Myky112727 wrote:- When I settle on an amp and get it I'll have Mav make me another 3.1. I can't imagine my system complete without all vital components connected to a 3.1. I've really found it to be that good. In fact I told my wife this morning that in all honesty I feel it's the single greatest improvement to my system that I've made since I got MMM.
Mav, an outstanding achievement my friend. I couldn't be happier with it. Thanks for everything including the pics (Ian, I see you ). That was very special. Your friend_MMMike.
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MMMike, Only If everyone (mainly talking about some of my fellow Aussies) was as open minded and willing to take a chance as youself my friend.When I started this little project a few months back it was only due to yourself and others here at Agora saying give it a go.
As I stated a few months back lets talk power conditioners and boy have we ever.Over the last few months I've gained the practical experience(hands on experimenting) and thanks to Doug Blackburn theory's via Maxx's posts I now have the theoretical knowlegde... or simplified " How , Why and what if "
Once again great to hear the Mav was so successful for you .
MMMike I still have Mav 3.1 SN. .0003 in bubble wraped so as not to get marked ,It's run in and would only need plug and Thermal CB changed to 120volt rating. But if the time comes and it's gone or i've been using it I will happily make you another brand new Mav3.1 . I've been using Proto(type) with some fine tunning in my system lately but you made me think about resonnance tunning it now! "What if"
cheers Maverick.
P.S Joe wanted to see a pic MMMike I don't mind the decision is yours. I wouldn't mind seeing a pic of your set up with the Mav in it though.
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Posted: 2006-11-03 19:44
Maverick- I have had full confidence in you from the very beginning. One of the reasons for this was that my entire Reference electrical delivery system was Hand Made by yet another fellow who had a few good ideas of his own just like you did!
A while back I listened to a $50,000 McIntosh Reference Stereo system with their $20,000 Reference speakers being run by their $9,000 Tube Preamp and their $15,000 1200w Monoblocks both of which were dressed with $1,000 Cardas Golden Cross Analog interconnects and everything being powered by $6,500 worth of Shunyata Hydra Line Conditioning and power cords.
By comparison my Hand Made Reference grade electrical delivery system cost just slightly more than one of the power cords they were using at $1,500.
I know very well what difference my Line Conditioning makes and it is definately a large part of the ultra detailed, authentic and extremely lifelike delivery of my Audio system compared to the lack of detail and lifelessness that the $6,500 Shunyata Hydra system brought to the McIntosh's presentation.
I have had very expensive Line Conditioners in my Audio system and none of them were even in the same league with my Hand Made Line Conditioners.
How could $1,500 worth of Line Conditioning with no super expensive and exotic parts deliver so much more high quality performance than the $6,500 cost is no object Line Conditioning?
I have come to the conclusion over the last 6 years that I have been using line conditioning that the parts that go into Line Conditioners are only fractionally as important as the true Genius that went into the design and creation of the equipment and the Line Conditioner with the better design will always deliver a far superior performance because the Line Conditioners with the most expensive and exotic parts count have dissapointed me again and again!
Thanks for the Mav's 3.1 PC! You are now counted among the group of great Aussie Audio equipment designers whose Genius has given the rest of the world yet another superior product.
~Maxx~
A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
The quest for truly great Audio reproduction is one where a keen interest in knowledge and plenty of curiosity combined with vigorous application will take you further than mere riches ever could!
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From: Chicago,IL, USA
Posted: 2006-11-05 00:35
Maverick,
If you still have the pics and are interested in sharing them send me a message to my inbox here at Agoraquest and I will give you my email address to send them to. I will then host them and post them for all to see.
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From: coffs harbour , australia
Posted: 2006-11-05 01:41
hey maverick i dont mind if you post our pic's on this site , but like you said before we would like to see a pic of MMMike's gear with the mav installed. regards Ian
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From: coffs harbour , australia
Posted: 2006-11-05 01:49
guys one thing i must say is that Maverick lent me his Lavok big snakes to try and what an improvement i've never heard my Mordaunt Short speakers sound so good . Patricia Barber's piano has never sounded so real , and on Pink Floyd's money it's interesting to hear the gravelness in his voice and also the accent of the Londoner, its just so real Regards Ian
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From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
Posted: 2006-11-05 01:55
Gaday Manicmechanic, I just messaged Joe to send them to him I,m having problems with downloading Pics to Agora.You now the hassles I'm having with my dam computer lately. I'll try harder but will see!
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From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
Posted: 2006-11-05 02:51
Gaday friends, Well Joe you asked for it ! I managed to download a Pic of three Audio enthusiasts and one who would love to be one from here in Aussie land. Taken at my Daughters 21st Birthday Bash last May.
From left to right' Ian (AKA "Manicmechanic" tall lad 6'4"with the glass in his hand),Nephew Mitch's face, Kel (nextdoor neighbour with the Audio stereo room and HT room),Yours truly Rick (AKA "Maverick" Silver top "hair that is")and last on far right the Brotherinlaw Greg.
....... Ian,Mitch,Kel,Rick,Greg.........
Hope we don't crack your moniters.
Cheers From Down Under Maverick
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
Posted: 2006-11-05 15:45
Maverick- Why do I get the feeling that this Picture you posted is also hanging up somewhere with a note saying "The Usual Suspects" under it?
~Maxx~
----------------- A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
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From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
Posted: 2006-11-05 16:36
Posted: 2006-11-05 15:45
Maverick- Why do I get the feeling that this Picture you posted is also hanging up somewhere with a note saying "The Usual Suspects" under it?
~Maxx~
Maxx, I Don't know what you mean ! where only wanted in 3 States for playing loud music , shattering a dozen window panes and causing suburban power grey outs.The Brotherinlaw is the only public servant in the group ! he's the one the general public really wants to get a hold of "not us honest crooks"!
cheers Maverick
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From: Chicago,IL, USA
Posted: 2006-11-06 00:02
Rick,
Thank you so much for posting the picture. It is great to put a face to the name. It makes it that much more personal. Don't worry about the silver hair, mine, what's left of it, has gone straight to gray.
Again, thanks for sharing with us. It's a good looking group.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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Posted: 2006-11-06 02:54
Maverick- After reading your description I now realize that you fellows could more accurately be described as "The Unusual Suspects".
~Maxx~
----------------- A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
I posted this in another thread here, but I felt I should post it here as well.
I've read that one should not mix analog and digital components on the same duplex of PLCs. I never tested the theory as it made sense to me so I've always followed that principle. I've even gone so far as to connect all analog and all digital equipment to seperate PLCs as that just seemed like the next logical step to me.
Well I've tried the 3.1 with MMM and my DVP-NC555ES and with the TAE/TAN combo with great results in both instances. The greatest improvements IMO had been to the digital units. Well the other night I tried the 3.1 with MMM and the TAN just out of curiousity. There was no decrease in MMM's performance that I could determine. But the TAN sounded better than ever. Better than with it connected to the 3.1 and the TAE. So at least in my system it seems that the 3.1 has the greatest effect on power amps/receivers. The 3.1/MMM/TAN combo sounds so good that if all I listened to was 2ch I'd probably be satisfied. But since I don't another MCH amp is in my future. When I do get one another 3.1 will be in order. Then I'll be able to test whether it matters or not which components are connected to a PLC. And if so whether it's the type of components or the type of amplification that matters most._MMMike
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Posted: 2006-11-09 15:36
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On 2006-11-09 13:16, mykyll2727 wrote: I've read that one should not mix analog and digital components on the same duplex of PLCs. I never tested the theory as it made sense to me so I've always followed that principle. I've even gone so far as to connect all analog and all digital equipment to seperate PLCs as that just seemed like the next logical step to me.
Very good thinking MMMike! Because AC Power is a 2 way street and Digital equipment kicks hash back into the AC supply unless it is filtered out.
Back in 2003 I started using dedicated Analog and Digital PLC's and much to my suprise I discovered that my Digital equipment still required redundant dual directional and broadband RFI filtering in order to sound its best and to keep the Digital hash it created from cross contaminating the other Digital equipment using the same PLC.
Some PLC manufacturers build filters into each duplex to prevent this kind of cross contamination, but unfortunately my Digital PLC was not built with this feature so I had to resort to provide filtering each piece of Digital equipment individually.
I've thuroughly tested the difference in between my Digital Processing when it was using its redundant RFI filtering and straight unfiltered and in my opinion the difference in sound quality is quite noticable and it was well worth the effort to provide the proper filtering to all 3 processors.
That said I don't think that the difference would be so evident a lot of Audio systems. For example the other day I auditioned the $4,000 Mark Levinson No.37 Transport which was interfaced using Illuminations D-60 Reference Digital Coax to a $3,000 Theta Pro Bacic||| DAC connected to Dan Wright's SWL 9.0SE Tube Preamp (the SE sports all Polyropolyne capped power supply and Teflon caps in the signal path!) and using $1,000 Jena Labs Analog IC to connect it with the DAC and the John Curl designed Parasound Halo Amplification running a $5,000 pair of B&W 803 speakers.
While this system sounded better than the $50,000 McIntosh Reference system I heard which included the $2,500 Shunyata Hydra PLC and 4 of their $1,000 power cords and even though it is made up of some legendary and very expensive equipment and wiring and set up on a nice equipment rack in an acoustcally tuned room by a nationally renown Golden Ear Audiophile in my estimation this is a good example of an Audio system that just doesn't have the resolution and transparency to manifest the sonic differences that I noticed between totally dual directional broadband filtered and unfiltered Digital equipment.
It is left up to the individual to decide how much attention should be paid to this level of detail in his own Audio system.
~Maxx~
----------------- A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
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Posted: 2006-11-02 23:48
). That was very special. Your friend_MMMike.
