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Well I've Done it! Mav's Power Conditioners |
mykyll2727
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From: Las Vegas
 |  Posted: 2006-12-07 21:55
On 2006-12-07 19:18, wallew wrote:
I just got off the phone with Rick. What a pleasure it was to speak with him. Great guy. I will be pursuing three patent attorneys in the next day or so. Then more conversations with Rick. Granted, a patent will take a while. BUT, it is the first step of many to get Rick's power conditioner to the US market. And I told him if there were any place where this PC would do well it's here in the USA.
We don't have a problem with dropping good money for an excellent product. So the process begins. I will attempt (with Ricks permission of course) to keep everyone here informed.
Rick, I really enjoyed our conversation and look forward to many more.
jim
That's awesome guys!!!! You have my very best hopes and wishes for tremendous success!!!!!_Mykl
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mykyll2727
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From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-12-07 22:00
On 2006-12-07 19:40, maverick11359 wrote:
On 2006-12-07 10:55, mykyll2727 wrote:
Mav_If you'd be so kind, please look into what you would think would be a suitable substitute for one of the 15 amp IECs on the 3.1 with a US 20 amp version. I'd really appreciate it._Mykl
Gaday Mykl,
Interesting! I've havn't looked into different rated IECs before ,they all seem to be rated at 10amps for OZ and the same plug is rated at 15amps for the States.
Do you have a IEC Socket on a component rated at 20amps ?
I'll do a little research and get back to you.
cheers Mav Rick
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Mav_I may but I don't know for sure yet. I know someone that has an amp that I'm considering. It's fitted with a 20 amp IEC. So I'm doing my "due diligence" (I learned that term when I sold high ticket investments) and looking into everything I would need._Mykl
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Maxxwire
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
 |  Posted: 2006-12-08 01:41
Maverick- Last week I was talking to my Audio Tech who is the Lead Assembly Technician for ModWright's Original Equipment Division and he told me that after almost 2 years of ground up design work, development and testing the new ModWright Phono Preamp is now in production.
The subject of protecting the original circuit design of this new piece of Audio equipment came up and he told me that Dan used to use off the shelf parts that could be easily identified by Manufacturer, value and part number, but he learned that if he used unmarked proprietary parts it would make opening up the piece and making a list of the parts and values in an attempt to rip off the design a very difficult and dissapointing task for would be copy cats because they would have absolutely no idea which parts were used.
For example Dan used to use Auricap Polypropylene Film and Foil Caps which are fantastic sounding caps, but anyone can buy them off the shelf which makes duplication very easy.
These days Dan designs around proprietary Teflon Film and Foil Caps which have no values or Manufacturer's mark on them which makes it extremely hard to duplicate the circuitry in which they are used.
Dan has even started using a custom clock in his NS9100ES Signature Truth Mod to avoid unwanted unauthorized duplication.
I think that it would prove to be very interesting if some would be rip-off artist opened up the Mav's 3.1 PC and saw nothing but proprietary parts with customized markings stenciled on them like-
MavsAudio Part #FU-2
~Maxx~
A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
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maverick11359
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From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
 | Posted: 2007-11-06 16:09
G'day guys'
I started this Thread back in October 2006 and where now over 1 year past the first Mav 3.1 power conditioners came of the production line (my outside open air work bench/table)and started their small but happy life in afew but loved Hifi /Ht audio systems around the world.So this is just a small note to keep this Thread upto date.
I unplugged my pair of Mav 3.1's just the other day to reposition them behind my gear and as a quick experiment left them unplugged and bypassed . Well I'm very happy to state they still work and still make a huge difference to my overall sound quality ,with out them my sound stage sounded small and imaging was not as sharp ,background became noisy, bass lost it's tight controll and bass definition became a little boomy again.It only took a couple of tracks of one CD and I quickly connected them back in to circiut.
It's always worth remembering the Power Conditioners 's we use are sometimes the unseen quiet achievers that keep on keeping on .Hopefully for a very long time to come.
cheers Mav'
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-11-07 15:01
On 2007-11-06 16:09, maverick11359 wrote: It's always worth remembering the Power Conditioners we use are sometimes the unseen quiet achievers that keep on keeping on.
If you are not able to design and make your own Power Conditioners like Maverick does or own one of his Mav's 3.1 Power Conditioners then finding just the right truly effective premuim quality Power Conditioners to run your A/V System can be a greuling and time consuming ordeal.
One of the primary reasons that I truly value the Power Conditioniners that I now have is because I can still very clearly remember the exaustive 3 year search it took to find them.
I auditioned some of the top brands of Power Conditioners as well as measured their EMI/RFI reduction capabilities with an Audio Prism Line Sniffer and I was shocked at how so many of these rather expensive Power Conditioners didn't perform well.
The Power Conditioners that I was finally able to find after my long search make such a great audible and visable difference in my A/V System that without them it would make for a very dissapointing experience due to the tremendous amount of Audio and Video degradation while running the equipment straight off of the Electrical Grid.
If you want to begin seeing and hearing the full potential that your A/V System has to offer and you don't want to spend years of searching for the perfect reasonably priced Power Conditioning that it takes to achieve that level of performance I highly recommend Mav's 3.1 Power Conditioner.
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
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From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2007-11-07 17:13
Thanks Maxx for the vote of confidence in the Mav's.
Funny one year ago when i first tried selling the Mav3.1 on ebay i was confronted by a person that recognised my call sign maverick and assumed correctly i was using parts that I purchased from his site and immediately warned me about not having the required Australian standards stamp and classification to sell the Mav , his concern was his parts would be the only evidence if their was a failure or fire.
Time changes peoples inpressions and now having talked to him directly by phone on a couple of times over the last year for other gear with long 1 hr conversations he's become a friend and he can know appreciate that my idea was a sound one and was intrigued at my idea and simplicity of making the Mav idiot and fire proof (still a secret).
Anyway thanks again for the support.
maverick
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mykyll2727
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From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2007-12-06 15:58
Mav_I'm happy to report that the 3.1 you made for me is working just fine and I couldn't be happier with it. Despite the fact that I've pretty much solved my bass issues I still haven't ruled out adding a power amp to the mix. If I do, and I'm fairly certain that at some point I will, you can be sure I'll be having you make up another one for me.
On another note: after reading your post on your subs I was surprised that I had never thought of hooking up mine in that manner. I've always just run them out from my mains. I'll be giving using the B speaker outs a shot and see what the sound is like. I'll report back on my findings._Mykl
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 00:53
Maverick- Are you going to be making a 2,400 VA version of the Mav's 3.1 Line Conditioner for high wattage output Analog Power Amps?
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 01:31
Maverick- Are you going to be making a 2,400 VA version of the Mav's 3.1 Line Conditioner for high wattage output Analog Power Amps?
~Maxx~
G'day Maxx,
Food for thought!
I never really thought about it before but it wouldn't be hard to increase thre Mav' to 120volt -20amp device for a heavier demand ,everthing would be a little larger and higher ratting ,from the cable,plugs to the thermal circiut breakers. I could even think about adding a thyristor into circuit as a surge protection device next time ....... mmmmmmm interesting ideas.
Mav'
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 02:11
On 2007-12-06 15:58, mykyll2727 wrote:
Mav_I'm happy to report that the 3.1 you made for me is working just fine and I couldn't be happier with it. Despite the fact that I've pretty much solved my bass issues I still haven't ruled out adding a power amp to the mix. If I do, and I'm fairly certain that at some point I will, you can be sure I'll be having you make up another one for me.
On another note: after reading your post on your subs I was surprised that I had never thought of hooking up mine in that manner. I've always just run them out from my mains. I'll be giving using the B speaker outs a shot and see what the sound is like. I'll report back on my findings._Mykl
G'day myky,
Good to hear from you my friend!
Glad that the "Mav" is still quietly trundling along.
Let me know how you fair with the alternate suby connection.I'm still experimenting (schools out) ,I need to possibly do some more modding on those Sansui subys before I'm totaly satisfied.
Mav'
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 16:39
Maverick- You have demonstrated beyond all doubt that Mav's 3.1 is a highly effective line conditioner and there is no doubt that you could make a 2,400 va version with an equal or higher build quality and features.
I asked my original question because of all the people I have come across who wouldn't think of running their A/V gear without the benefits of a top quality Line Conditioner like the Mav's 3.1 all of them who had 200-300 wpc and larger Power Amps prefered to run them straight off of the wall preferably from a deicated 120v/20 amp circuit.
Have you noticed this in OZ, or is it just on the 120v North American power grid?
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2007-12-11 20:05
G'day maxx,
I havn't noticed A trend ,I've looked at the forum boards on occasion on Aussie Hifi / Ht sites and noticed that we still have our skeptics as to power conditioning.In OZ our current draw is half yours because of th 240volt compared to 120volt mains supply,which means we can run smaller conductors and fittings rated up to 10 amps.I still think its ashame that so many guys out there by expensive componets and think by plugging it in to a designated 20amp circiut they are getting the best out of their equipment.
cheers Mav'
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-12 01:25
Maverick- Here in North America almost every Audio Fanatic I've come across who has a large Power Amp will prefer to run it straight off of the house current without the benefit of Line Conditioning even though they have every other piece of Audio and Video equipment in their System benefitting from the use of Line Conditioning.
The most common reason I've heard given for this is that while using Line Conditoning has great benefits for low current draw A/V equipment it restricts the dynamics of high output Power Amps because they draw large amounts of current and they feel that Line Conditioning restricts the Power Amps instant access to.
I think that this may just apply to large Power Amps run off of the 120 volt power grid here in North America because the current is twice as high as it would be on a 240 volt grid.
I agree with you about dubios effectiveness of using dedicated lines. I've always wondered how dedicated they could truly be when they are wired into the same fuse box that the rest of the house gets its electricity from.
Highly respected Soundstage Magazine Audio equipment Reviewer Doug Blackburn once said that he used 1 highly effective Line Conditioner to replace several dedicated lines that he had been using and his Audio System sounded much better for it.
~Maxx~
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SPCOOLIN
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.jpg) | Posted: 2007-12-12 07:39
I have run my Parasound 5 x 220wpc amp both ways...Direct to the wall outlet, and from one of the High Current outlets of my Panamax 5300EX...
I notice no restriction of dynamics when running off the Panamax, and also have not noticed any drop in voltage on the digital meter of the Panamax during peaks....
My feeling is that when a circuit or wire, is overloaded...You will see the voltage drop commiserate with the increased current draw during such peaks...
Low voltage/High amperage go hand in hand...One compounds the other in a overloaded wire/circuit situation, and One can also be indication of the other...
Steve~
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-13 02:19
Steve- I've read of others who have had the same experience as you have had with running their Power Amps off of Line Conditioners without the dynamics being limited.
Whether or not the dynamics are effected could be System related because so many people have reported compressed dynamics under the same operating circumstances.
Here's Doug Blackburn's explaination of how Power Amps draw power much differently than other low current Audio equipment does-
/>Larger components with higher voltage power supplies, like amplifiers, will have current pulses that are shorter in duration, and higher in magnitude (amps).
This is because amplifiers have to get all their power during the small portion of the AC waveform that is higher in voltage than the power supply in the amplifier. The current pulses vary in frequency and peak depending on the frequencies and volume level of the music being played.
These current demands may well be the reason that it is not too unusual for mid-priced PLCs to sound like they are limiting amplifier performance instead of making them sound better.
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~Maxx~
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