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    mgh0001

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    From: trafford, manchester, england

      Posted: 2006-04-28 07:12



    i have just bought a pair of audioquest sky 72v interconnects (144v total). and was amazed by how good they are and what they can do for a setup. every bit of detail and sound is in the soundstage. it is quite astoshing. i would recommend anyone with sony es and other highend equipment to spend the money to purchase highend cables for your setup.

    anyone else got highend cables like audioquest sky
    hopefully someone will enjoy this bit of advise


    cheers, mike

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    Sim2 domino 55m rear proj,Sony SCD-XA9000ES sacd deck,2xTA-FA777ES intergrated stereo amp,4xSS-X90ED flagship speakers,MDS-JA333ES md deck,DVP-NS999ES dvd/sacd,ST-D777ES dab tuner,Sony TA-E9000ES processor,SA-WX900 sub-woofer,3xaudioquest sky interconnect


       


    jocktheglide

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      Posted: 2006-04-28 08:56

    I buy bettercables.com no hassle no paying for their ads etc...straight up good cables not that I have any proof of this, but IM not buying monster cables which sot like 10x more just because they put ads in every magazine.  I mean a HDMI cable from them thats only 6ft cost 200 dollars alone I can buy one at bettercables.com for only 60 bucks I believe.  I bought my 9ft one for 109 bucks which aint bad considering I seen the monster at best buy for like 300 plus bucks.


       
    Toli
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      Posted: 2006-04-28 11:08

    I don't have any cables by Audioquest Sky. But I recently received my new LAT V1-5 component cable, and I can already say that it is awesome! I won't comment any further until it's completely broken in at 95 hours, only 87 more hours to go!

    I am also using the glass toslinks that Maxxwire always recommends, the detail, WOW!

    Toli

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    KDL-52XBR6 w/Salamander Archetype TV65,STR-DA7100ES,BDP-S1,DVP-NS9100ES,DIRECTV HR21,Panamax 5510-PRO ACRegenerator & M1500-UPS;Klipsch:KSF-10.5(2),KSF-C5,KSF-S5(4-2),KSW-15; glass toslinks,Pure Silver i-Link & HDMI,PS3,Harmony 880 Pro


         
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-04-28 16:03

    Mike- I have tried dozens of pairs of Analog interconnects including some by Audioquest, Wireworld, Straightwire, LAT and others and I found that Transparent Audio Ultra interconnects with their custom tuned networks were the outstanding interconnect that I tied not only because they were very proficient at fleshing out low level inner detail, but because they offerd up a prolific portrail of the Music's Harmonic Structure and Pure Tonal Qualities that no other interconnect I have ever tried could come close to equaling.

    Between which two fortunate pieces of your equipment do you use the Audioquest Sky interconnects in your Audio system?

    ~Maxx~

    A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
    One Half of My A/V System


    [ This message was edited by: Maxxwire on 2006-04-29 16:22 ]


         
    mgh0001

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      Posted: 2006-05-02 09:21






    On 2006-04-28 16:03, Maxxwire wrote:
    Mike- I have tried dozens of pairs of Analog interconnects including some by Audioquest, Wireworld, Straightwire, LAT and others and I found that Transparent Audio Ultra interconnects with their custom tuned networks were the outstanding interconnect that I tied not only because they were very proficient at fleshing out low level inner detail, but because they offerd up a prolific portrail of the Music's Harmonic Structure and Pure Tonal Qualities that no other interconnect I have ever tried could come close to equaling.

    Between which two fortunate pieces of your equipment do you use the Audioquest Sky interconnects in your Audio system?

    ~Maxx~

    A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
    One Half of My A/V System


    [ This message was edited by: Maxxwire on 2006-04-29 16:22 ]



    howdo maxx,
       between the tae9000es and tafa777es. also ordered two more for between the st-d777es to the tae9000es and mds-ja555es. to the tae9000es

    mike


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    Sim2 domino 55m rear proj,Sony SCD-XA9000ES sacd deck,2xTA-FA777ES intergrated stereo amp,4xSS-X90ED flagship speakers,MDS-JA333ES md deck,DVP-NS999ES dvd/sacd,ST-D777ES dab tuner,Sony TA-E9000ES processor,SA-WX900 sub-woofer,3xaudioquest sky interconnect


       
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-05-02 13:58

    Good man! Its important to use high quality interconnects throught the signal path which is a principal I can see you already understand.

    Do you plan on also incorperating the DVP NS999ES with the high quality Audioquest Sky interconnects?

    Do you prefer using the MDS JA555ES over the DVP NS999ES as a Player?

    ~Maxx~

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    A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!



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    rb

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      Posted: 2006-05-02 17:44

    Mike and Maxx I agree with you guys on principal.  I think the job of a interconnect cable is to pass the signal from component to component with the least amount of signal degradation and coloration.  I don't want my wire to neccarily have a sound of it's own.  It then becomes a tone control.  I want the cable to pass the signal from one component to the other without adding anything.  One of the biggest differences I hear with cables is it's speed.  I like speedy cables.  They tend to have more rhythmic drive.  I have heard some very expensive cables that sounded slow to me.  It made my system sound syrupy.  Measurements such as low capacitance, resistance etc can help with the design of the theorectically perfect cable.  Transfer the signal while doing the least amount of harm.  If someone was able to design the perfect cable how would it sound?  In theory it should not have any sound at all.  In reality they all add their own distinctive sound coloration's.  Which cable stays true to the source?  To make matters worse I find there is no real correlation between performance and cost.

    The question for me is whether cables are actually capable of having a sound of their own.  Is it more a question of which cable is actually letting the signal pass unaltered.  Is what we hear as differences in cables in fact the cables ability to pass an audio signal intact.   



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    rb

    I listen to music in StereO


         
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-05-03 02:30

    Rick- Every single pair of Analog interconnects that I have ever listened to in my Audio system have had a different effect on the signal passing through them some of them proving themselves to be more transparent than others.

    Just as you are I am also looking for the most transparent Analog interconnects that I can find. I don't want a pair of Analog interconnects that emphasize the Bass, the Midrange or the Treble region! I simply want the most transparent signal transfer that I can find.

    I have tried to find some Analog interconnects that are more transparent than the Transparent Ultra's that I use, but in 5 years of auditioning some very fine cables I still haven't found anything that could top their transparency including a pair of .99999 fine cryo silver interconnects with platinum plated fine silver locking WBT terminations that Dan Wright handed to me one day in his living room!

    It was really tough explaining to Dan how the World Class Analog interconnects he had personally recommended to me couldn't come close to the sheer transparency of the Ultra's I had been using for the last 5 years.

    I'm not recommending the Transparent Ultras here I'm just pointing out that their ability to transparently transfer the Audio signal from my Digital front end to the Preamp and from the Preamp to the Power Amp has far surpassed every other Analog interconnect that I have tried including Modman Andy Bartha's cryo-fused Analog interconnects that he custom makes for his legendary Modified Pioneer DVD Players that are known to have put the $5,000 Wadia Digital 850 CD Player to shame.

    ~Maxx~

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    The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930


         
    mgh0001

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      Posted: 2006-05-03 08:30






    On 2006-05-02 13:58, Maxxwire wrote:
    Good man! Its important to use high quality interconnects throught the signal path which is a principal I can see you already understand.

    Do you plan on also incorperating the DVP NS999ES with the high quality Audioquest Sky interconnects?

    Do you prefer using the MDS JA555ES over the DVP NS999ES as a Player?

    ~Maxx~


    maxx
       i use a audioquest optilink 5 digital toslink cable with the dvp-ns999es, which sounds excellent. i am looking for a cd player. was thinking of the scd-xa9000es or scd-1 (balanced output). i think the mds-ja555es has a more relaxed sound than the dvp-ns999es, but they are both excellent players and sound simalur.

    mike

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    Sim2 domino 55m rear proj,Sony SCD-XA9000ES sacd deck,2xTA-FA777ES intergrated stereo amp,4xSS-X90ED flagship speakers,MDS-JA333ES md deck,DVP-NS999ES dvd/sacd,ST-D777ES dab tuner,Sony TA-E9000ES processor,SA-WX900 sub-woofer,3xaudioquest sky interconnect


       
    rb

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      Posted: 2006-05-03 11:08

    Maxx do you know what the Ultra's retail price is?

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    I listen to music in StereO


         
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-05-03 15:14



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    On 2006-05-03 08:30, mgh0001 wrote: i am looking for a cd player. was thinking of the scd-xa9000es or scd-1 (balanced output).
    mike


    Mike since you are looking for a World Class CD Player have you ever considered getting the ModWright NS999ES Signature Truth Platinum level Mods done to your Player?

    I urge you to check out the full Positive Feedback Review. to get an idea of how truly astounding this Player sounds.

    This is the ultimate Sony Player that this review claims sounds better than the $12,000 Griphon Mikado!

    This is definately the best sounding Player I've ever auditioned!




    This is the dedicated Power Supply for the Discrete Vacuum Tube output stage-



    Go to www.ModWright.com for a complete description of the work.

    Modwright does the following major upgrades:

    1) A class A tube analog output stage (zero negative feedback) with a separate external power supply,

    2) Bybee filter upgrade,

    3) A new, more accurate clock, the LC Audio XO3

    4) The Revelation Audio Reference Cryo-Silver tube P.S. umbillical cable (to connect P.S. to 999ES CD player),

    5) Harris FRED ultrafast soft-recovery diodes,

    6) The external P.S. has choke current regulation and discrete FET-based voltage regulation,

    7) Auricap coupling caps at the analog output stage.

    The ModWright modified NS999ES player consists of two pieces:

    1) The Sony 999ES player that now contains the two 5687 dual triodes (they are located at the rear right hand corner of the top of the player. The tubes are mounted on an internal board but stick out with one half of the tube appearing above the plane of the top plate of the player)

    2) The external power supply (black case) connected to the player chassis with the Revelation Audio Reference Cryo-Silver tube P.S. umbillical cable.

    This is the ultimte incarnation of the NS999ES and I have heard it easily blow away both the SCD-1 and a $US 6,200 Audio Aero Capitole 24/192 upsampling player in auditions I have done involving the KEF Reference Monitors and the B&W 800 speakers respectively!

    ~Maxx~

    ~Maxx~



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    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-05-03 15:53

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    On 2006-05-03 11:08, rb wrote:
    Maxx do you know what the Ultra's retail price is?


    Since you asked- a 1 meter pair of Transparent Audio Ultra Analog interconnects have a retail price of $US 1,155.

    Before you ask- I have a friend who owns what I beleive to be the best Audio shop between Seattle and San Fransisco and I never ever pay retail for anything, ever!

    There is a huge markup on all wiring and if you can get around that things become much more affordable!

    I do have my limits though and I have never even Auditioned the Transparent Reference because its MSRP is $US 4,700/ 1 meter and even with my discount that is just way too much to pay for an interconnect.

    Transparent has a very interestng theory that
    they build their wires around. Their years of research revealed that the optimal length for Analog interconnects is 26 feet.

    Since this length is not practical for most applications the Transparent Technicians use a $75,000 machine to measure the properties of each wire and a passive electronics network is adjusted to bring each cable perferctly into spec. This process takes about 3 hours for each pair of hand terminated Analog interconnects to be perfectly calibrated.

    It runs against my purist natur to have any additional electronics in the signal path, but I've been searching for over 5 years to find a non networked interconnect that could even come close to being as Transparent sounding as these Ultras are and so far I haven't found even one that was in the same league.

    ~Maxx~

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    A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!



    The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930


         
    rb

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      Posted: 2006-05-03 16:54

    Thanks Maxx.  I just had a look at usedcables.com and they have a pair for $649.  A little too rich for my blood at the moment but I'll keep on the look out for used ones that come along.

    Do cables have limited life span?  I assume they should last forever provided they don't corrode.

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    rb

    I listen to music in StereO


         
    rb

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      Posted: 2006-05-03 17:05

    Maxx have you had any experience with Transparent Plus or Super series cables?

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    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-05-03 19:44

    Rick- I used to run my Power Amp with a pair of Transparent Supers and they sounded great. I partially replaced them with a pair of Transparent Ultras because I had Ultras between the Digital front end and the Preamp and I wanted the continuity of sound that matching interconnects have.

    When I switched out the Transparent Supers there was an improvement in the sound with the Ultras, but it was only incremental and certainly not anywhere close to being commensurate with the 100% price difference between the two cables.

    This is why I stick with the Ultras and don't move up to the $5,500 Transparent Reference interconnects because I expect that the improvement in sound will be relatively the same as between the Super and the Ultra only at a much greater price difference.

    ~Maxx~

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    A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!



    The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930


         
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