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    Moderated By: Toli
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    Satellite vs Digital Cable Dashboard
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    jehill
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    From: Sewell, NJ

      Posted: 2006-03-04 11:39

    The problem is that the trend is for larger displays.  My KV-36XBR450 weighs 238 pounds!  My son's KF-42WE610 only weighs 70 lbs, 12 oz!  The convenience of being able to move it so, so much easier is a big plus.  However, there is no question that the SD PQ better is better on my set.  At this point, I am willing to sacrifice SD PQ for a larger, spectacular, HD picture.

    BTW, neither my son nor I have any complaints about the quality of the Comcast digital cable service in our areas (Philadelphia and South Jersey).  We have absolutely no desire to switch to satellite.

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    -John

    Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550 and AVD-LA2500PKG, consisting of AVD-C70ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer


       


    Maxxwire
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    From: Portland, Oregon - USA

      Posted: 2006-03-04 14:59

    John- You are absolutely right about the lighter weight of the rear projection LDC sets being a huge advantage. It only took a few minutes to get my Dad's 50" Grand Wega out of the box and into place.

    It took a lot longer to figure out that his Dish Network Receiver has a dummy S-Video output. The best signal we can get out of this box is Composite Video.

    I'm wondering what its going to cost to get a competent Dish Network Receiver that will receive HD channels and make full use of his new Sony Grand Vega?

    ~Maxx~



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    jehill
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      Posted: 2006-03-04 20:41

    Hopefully, not much.  That's one advantage of Comcast cable.  You pay only $5.00/mo for the standard HDTV converter and $10.00/mo for a 2 channel version with a built-in HDTV DVR.

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    -John

    Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550 and AVD-LA2500PKG, consisting of AVD-C70ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer


       
    jttar
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    From: Chicago,IL, USA

      Posted: 2006-03-04 22:47






    On 2006-03-04 14:59, Maxxwire wrote:
    John- You are absolutely right about the lighter weight of the rear projection LDC sets being a huge advantage. It only took a few minutes to get my Dad's 50" Grand Wega out of the box and into place.

    It took a lot longer to figure out that his Dish Network Receiver has a dummy S-Video output. The best signal we can get out of this box is Composite Video.

    I'm wondering what its going to cost to get a competent Dish Network Receiver that will receive HD channels and make full use of his new Sony Grand Vega?

    ~Maxx~




    Maxx,

    I remember when you and your Dad were shopping for a new TV for him but I somehow missed the purchase. Does the new TV have a HD tuner and if so have you tried an OTA antenna to pick up the local HD stations? Also, if your father orders the HD package from Dish Network shouldn't they provide a HD receiver for him?

    Joe (aka BeastMaster)


         
    Maxxwire
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    From: Portland, Oregon - USA

      Posted: 2006-03-05 00:21

    Joe- Dad's 1982 Phillips TV set finally died a week ago so we found the 50" Sony Grand Wega for him and it works perfectly with the Audio system I gave him a few months ago in anticipation of getting the big screen TV.

    I'm going out there tomorrow and I'll try hooking up an OTA antenna. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow night.

    Hopefully John is right and it won't cost Dad much to get into HD.

    ~Maxx~

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    The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930


         
    jttar
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    From: Chicago,IL, USA

      Posted: 2006-03-05 15:28






    On 2006-03-05 00:21, Maxxwire wrote:
    Joe- Dad's 1982 Phillips TV set finally died a week ago so we found the 50" Sony Grand Wega for him and it works perfectly with the Audio system I gave him a few months ago in anticipation of getting the big screen TV.

    I'm going out there tomorrow and I'll try hooking up an OTA antenna. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow night.

    Hopefully John is right and it won't cost Dad much to get into HD.

    ~Maxx~


    Maxx,

    Be sure footed if your going on the roof and watch out for those power wires.
    All I use with my KDF55WF655 is an OTA antenna to pick up my local HD stations. You Dad is going to be blown away by the PQ if you are able to get a good signal.

    Joe (aka BeastMaster)


         
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-03-05 16:02

    I'm leaving for Dad's within the hour so I'll know pretty soon how it works out.

    ~Maxx~

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    A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!



    The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930


         
    retate

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    Joined: Nov 29, 2002
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    From: Minnesota

      Posted: 2006-03-06 00:37



    One other consideration for some people in choosing between cable and satellite is that even if you have digital cable some cable companies include their analog feed as part of the digital service.  The cable company analog feed makes it easy to deliver cable to a cable ready TVs or computers with a TV tuner card without having multiple receivers, or some a redistribution system.

    Bob


       
    Toli
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      Posted: 2006-03-06 09:23

    retate,

    I agree, sometimes a simpler solution is just better. It would also make sense if one is limited on space.

    Regards,

    Toli


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    SonySam

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      Posted: 2006-03-06 13:14


    • Member Quote

    On 2006-03-06 09:23, Toli wrote:
    retate,

    I agree, sometimes a simpler solution is just better. It would also make sense if one is limited on space.

    Regards,

    Toli



    JUST MORE FLUF STUF U COULD AGREE TO EVERY POST + GET MO #'S


       
    rb

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    Joined: Mar 04, 2003
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    From: Canada

      Posted: 2006-03-06 13:26









    On 2006-03-06 13:14, SonySam wrote:








    On 2006-03-06 09:23, Toli wrote:
    retate,

    I agree, sometimes a simpler solution is just better. It would also make sense if one is limited on space.

    Regards,

    Toli







    JUST MORE FLUF STUF U COULD AGREE TO EVERY POST + GET MO #'S




      Sammy after reading all of your 13 posts here I believe you have a problem.  Do YOU have something to say or contribute???  You sound an aweful lot like a TROLL.

    rb

    I listen to music in StereO

    [ This message was edited by: rb on 2006-03-06 13:34 ]


         
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-03-06 15:44



    • Member Quote

    On 2006-03-06 13:26, rb wrote:











    On 2006-03-06 13:14, SonySam wrote:











    On 2006-03-06 09:23, Toli wrote:
    retate,

    I agree, sometimes a simpler solution is just better. It would also make sense if one is limited on space.

    Regards,

    Toli









    JUST MORE FLUF STUF U COULD AGREE TO EVERY POST + GET MO #'S






      Sammy after reading all of your 13 posts here I believe you have a problem.  Do YOU have something to say or contribute???  You sound an aweful lot like a TROLL.

    rb

    I listen to music in StereO

    Sammy- If someone wants to assinate their own credibility by making quick generic fluff statements then that's their own choice.

    You would do the Forum a service by counteracting the fluff with a constructive contribution to the discussion at hand.

    ~Maxx~




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    rb

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    Joined: Mar 04, 2003
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    From: Canada

      Posted: 2006-03-06 16:21

    I find this the most friendly forum on the net.  Sometimes people make comments because it's like having a conversation with someone.

    To attack a long time member because they believe there was not enough meat in their response is totally unacceptable.

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    I listen to music in StereO


         
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-03-06 16:25



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    On 2006-03-05 15:28, jttar wrote:All I use with my KDF55WF655 is an OTA antenna to pick up my local HD stations. Your Dad is going to be blown away by the PQ if you are able to get a good signal.

    Joe (aka BeastMaster)


    My Dad set up an OTA antenna in his attic 25 years ago but the reception was so poor that he got Cable.

    Yesterday I hooked up the OTA antenna input on his 50" Grand Wega to that same OTA antenna with a crummy OEM slip on F-pin terminated coax wire because that's all he had on hand.

    I switched to the OTA input and initiated the Auto Program hoping to find a Digital channel or two. Dad and I counted 1,2,3...4,5...6,7,8,9...10,11...12...13 Digital channels in all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My Dad is an artist and counts Oil Panting, Water color, Lithography, Stained Glass, Photography and an art form he invented called Digital Pixel Painting among the mediums he has worked in. In other words he is a very visual person with an acute understanding of color, hue, texture, shading and the other aspects of the visual experience.

    My Dad's reaction to his first glimpse of the OTA signal in 1080i Hi-Def could only be described as Visual Arrest!

    All he could say was "I knew it would be good, but not this good!"

    Dad is not that easily impressed when it comes to visual graphics in that has been doing computer graphics for 19 years and he knows very well what High Resolution is. He has an 8M pixel Sony Digital camera and a 17" format Epson Pro 4000 Printer that he prints up enlargements which he frames for his patrons, his Photo Shows and local Art Galleries.

    I weeded out all of the 480i channels and some others he didn't care to watch and we ended up with 6 of the most beautiful channels of HD programming. Dad kept saying that he couldn't beleive that this was all coming through that useless antenna he had put up so long ago! I couldn't beleive it was coming through that worthless OEM coax cable I connected the TV with!

    Thanks Joe for encourging me to hook up that OTA antenna because for the first time my Dad got to see what his new 50" Sony Grand Wega could REALLY DO!

    And it was spectacular!

    ~Maxx~

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    The OCCC Furu-Charged Sony DB 930


         
    Navmaster

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    Joined: Jan 05, 2005
    Posts: 443
    From: Tampa Bay - Florida - USA

      Posted: 2006-03-06 18:15






    On 2006-03-01 02:15, Maxxwire wrote:
    I have Cable at home and when I go to my Dad's and watch Dish Network on his 50" Sony Grand Wega the still images are sharp and crystal clear, but when they start to move they become blurred and out of focus which is not a problem on Cable TV.

    ~Maxx~


    Maxx,

    What you are describing is a common problem with the setup on some Sony and other rear projection televisions.  If you look into the proper helping your dad with the best settings you can eliminate or almost eliminate this condition.

    Scott

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