Roll Call - How Many Members Using Amplifiers / What Kind?
Maxxwire Moderator Premium Member Rank: Sony Adept
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Posted: 2006-03-10 15:01
I am into Acoustic Music as well. My primary interest is in Classical Music and to me nothing fleshes out the intricate and expansive Harmonic Structure of the Music like the Thermionics of a well built Tube Amp equipped with Vintage Vacuum Tubes.
maxx, nice pic. nothin like a tube amp. this is very true of guitar amps as well. they say tube amps and quality lp,s are a good old school combo that still holds up today. its almost like they were right to begin with.
Yamaha mx-830 had that one to dude....magnepans mmg to Really?! throw that amp away try a vincent or something the will make music like never before thats a promise But iff you like the sound of your mx-830 then keep it off course
What do i use? Here goes
2 times sony TA-N55es one in stereomode (8ohm approx 140w rms per channel or so) for rears currently none yet, And one in mono (1x250w or so) for my future centerspeaker. I reckon seen mine fronts now the choice will be a dynaudio rear and center speaker set-up
The TA-N90es (8ohm 100w rms per channel) on the highregions of my floating synthese (6ohm). And the TA-N80es i got the specs on my pc of this beast that will be used for the low regions of my speakers. There were 3 versions of this one the MKI,MKII,MKIII i've got the mkIII the last series made of the ta-n80es
Some pics then here goes
TA-N 80ES MKIII GUTS
TA-N80es MKIII outside shot without the hood
TA-N90ES GUTS
TA-N90es outside
TA-N55es outside (inside shots will come soon)
Got two of these mighty little ones i'm really still stunned about sony! Really can you all believe i'm just a real sonyfan for approx 5 weeks or so?!
[ This message was edited by: Muziekfreak on 2006-03-11 14:01 ]
I used a Jadis on my magnepans once really nice warm sounding indeed tube amps. Very nice man great stuff!
Are you know with this one? This ones modded i believe with siemens tubes or so. Very cool sounding i must add!
On 2006-03-10 15:01, Maxxwire wrote:
I am into Acoustic Music as well. My primary interest is in Classical Music and to me nothing fleshes out the intricate and expansive Harmonic Structure of the Music like the Thermionics of a well built Tube Amp equipped with Vintage Vacuum Tubes.
[ This message was edited by: Maxxwire on 2006-03-11 14:03 ]
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Maxxwire Moderator Premium Member Rank: Sony Adept
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Posted: 2006-03-11 14:16
Muziekfreak- Great Pics! I don't think that we've seen inside the TA N80ES before. And thanks for the information bout the MK1, MK2 and MK3 versions of this 200 wpc Sony Power Amp.. We've had a number of Members expressing interest in getting a TA N80ES and this information will be a good buying guide.
AFAIK you have more Sony Power Amps than any other Member here!
~Maxx~
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Maxxwire Moderator Premium Member Rank: Sony Adept
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Posted: 2006-03-11 14:42
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On 2006-03-11 14:10, Muziekfreak wrote:
Are you know with this one? This ones modded i believe with siemens tubes or so. Very cool sounding i must add!
All I can tell from this picture is that its a stereo Power Amp with 2 pairs of EL-84 output Tubes in push-pull configuration which probably has a power rating of about 17 watts of very sweet sound and when rolled with vintage Seiman's Tubes it should be capable of bringing tears to the eye.
A friend of mine had a Jadis Orchestra Reference Integrated Amp, but I didn't think too much of the sound although when I heard it the Tubes sounded rather noisy and perforated the soundstage.
~Maxx~
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Maxxwire Moderator Premium Member Rank: Sony Adept
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Posted: 2006-03-11 15:01
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On 2006-03-11 13:21, alvarez wrote: maxx, nice pic. nothin like a tube amp. this is very true of guitar amps as well. they say tube amps and quality lp,s are a good old school combo that still holds up today. its almost like they were right to begin with.
I agree with you there's "nothin like a Tube Amp." because they have a sound quality all of their own. I certainly wouldn't recommend running 7 channels of Home Theater with them, but they make some nice Music especially Acoustic Music and Vocals.
I used to have a nice Rega Turntable, but I found it so hard to find Vinyl pressings that hadn't been severely compressed when the Masters were cut in order to avoid wear on the cutting heads so I opted to voice my Digital front end to the Turntable with some 1/2 speed Mastered MFSL Vinyl and go the I²S Digital route.
You are right though about the enduring quality of premium pressed Vinyl though it is still the Sonic Gold Standard that the Hi-Rez Formats are measured by.
~Maxx~
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maxx, i don,t have a turntable hooked up anymore. i used to have a middle of the road pioneer direct drive that i gave to friend of minewhen i sold him a lot of my lp,s. i kept about 150 lp,s that i thought were classics. i have 8 mobile fidelity half speed masters that may become valuable with the new resurgence of records. my friend has a nice denon turntable that i use to copy lp,s to cassette and cd when i need to. sorry i should try to stick to the topic in this forum. alvarez
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Posted: 2006-03-11 15:58
alvarez- Make sure to hang on to that MFSL 1/2 speed Mastered Vinyl! They will provide great program material to put any Power Amp. through its paces!
And now we return to our previously scheduled topic...
~Maxx~
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Posted: 2006-03-11 17:20
Muziekfreak- It appears that a significant difference between the TA-N80ES MKI, MKII and MKIII is in the power supplies. It turns out that there are two service manuals: one for the US and CAN versions and one for the E, WG, AEP1 and AEP2 versions. Only a single rectangular E-I coil transformer is provided in the US, CAN and E versions. The E version transformer has two primary windings to facilitate 120, 220 and 240VAC input selection. The two round objects on the left side of the TA-N80ES MKIII are a pair of toroidal transformers. These are featured only in the AEP1, AEP2 and WG versions. Different part numbers are specified for the AEP2 versions (probably a different primary voltage). The long rectangular object in the center is a capacitor assembly. And what a capacitor assembly it is! Two 22,000 uF capacitors in parallel for both the + and - supplies are featured in the E, WG, AEP1 and AEP2 versions! For some reason, only single 22,000 uF capacitor is provided for the + and - supplies in the US and CAN versions. The two toroidal transformers are virtually identical except one has an extra winding for the low voltage supply. The two primaries are wired in parallel and the two secondary windings for the high voltage supplies are wired in parallel. It's apparent that two transformers were used because a single larger transformer wouldn't fit!
It took a while to come up with this information, but it was fun! No where is MKI, MKII and MKIII defined.
----------------- -John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550 and AVD-LA2500PKG consisting of AVD-C70ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
The guy who's name is don der dijel is a dutch forummer to...i know this guy for some years now. Het drives synthese 1 with a tan80es (blew up serveral times) so he modded ALOT on that amp. A very nice man but should consider a different amp for his very difficult speakers iff you ask me. Off course when is say that to him it's like a bomb fell
Great site dudes! really loads of sony information and stuff!
On 2006-03-11 17:20, jehill wrote: Muziekfreak- It appears that a significant difference between the TA-N80ES MKI, MKII and MKIII is in the power supplies. It turns out that there are two service manuals: one for the US and CAN versions and one for the E, WG, AEP1 and AEP2 versions. Only a single rectangular E-I coil transformer is provided in the US, CAN and E versions. The E version transformer has two primary windings to facilitate 120, 220 and 240VAC input selection. The two round objects on the left side of the TA-N80ES MKIII are a pair of toroidal transformers. These are featured only in the AEP1, AEP2 and WG versions. Different part numbers are specified for the AEP2 versions (probably a different primary voltage). The long rectangular object in the center is a capacitor assembly. And what a capacitor assembly it is! Two 22,000 uF capacitors in parallel for both the + and - supplies are featured in the E, WG, AEP1 and AEP2 versions! For some reason, only single 22,000 uF capacitor is provided for the + and - supplies in the US and CAN versions. The two toroidal transformers are virtually identical except one has an extra winding for the low voltage supply. The two primaries are wired in parallel and the two secondary windings for the high voltage supplies are wired in parallel. It's apparent that two transformers were used because a single larger transformer wouldn't fit!
It took a while to come up with this information, but it was fun! No where is MKI, MKII and MKIII defined.
The guy who's name is don der dijel is a dutch forummer to...i know this guy for some years now.
Here at Agoraquest we first became aware of The Vintage Knob back in November of 2004 when the Frenchman who runs the site who's name is Axel became a Member and made his first post here-
I'm not sure what you meant by that comment, but I obtained all of my information from the service manuals before I visited that site for the first time today! I agree, its a great site!
----------------- -John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550 and AVD-LA2500PKG consisting of AVD-C70ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
Maxxwire Moderator Premium Member Rank: Sony Adept
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Posted: 2006-03-12 14:58
Muziekfreak- Evidently John has gotten his information on the TA N80ES from a totally different source because here is what the Vintage Knob has to say about the TA N80ES-
ES #15
september 2004
TA-N80ES (1990 - 1994)
Unlike the contemporary ES integrated amps from Sony , the N80ES was "export" only and not released in Japan. Also "only" a rebadged/modded TA-N77ES, the N80ES was however released in 3 different versions ; I believe these to be market-related but we'd need images aplenty of your own units with their serial numbers to find out! In the meantime, I'll allow myself to name these versions MK1, MK2 and MK3.
The MK1 used the same power transformer and boards as the N77, the MK2 an encapsulated PT and different boards' material and arrangement, the MK3 sported 2 encapsulated toroidal transformers with again different boards' arrangements.
It seems US sold units were MK1s, multi-voltage/multi-market units were MK2s while European units only were MK3s. MK2s and MK3s both had a half-sized protection board.
Anyway, all three versions had more output than the original 1987 design and two more big caps (4700µF/80V) on the main power board. The sometimes problematic meters of the N77ES were banned and a pair of true/false balanced inputs thrown in for good measure ; the N80 (like the N77) however is a single-ended design. Unfortunately, this addition was made using rather low-end componentry.
Like many Sony amps (yes, TANR1 included), the heatsink really doesn't have that much area to dissipate heat. And the N80ES generates a LOT of it, this being the cause of many an N80's problems and/or death: it needs much more ventilation than its top cover allows - I for one partly remove it while listening to music.
Still, the 80ES will dynamically drive any loudspeakers you may wish to torment it with. And just like the 77 the 80 can be bridged in mono and thus put out more power than loudspeakers would know what to do with... Owning "only" one MK3, it is a mode I have not tried, but I wish I could!
Much more often shown in its champagne guise, the N80 was almost always sold in black ; the champagne version wasn't available in the US and is pretty rare in Europe. Along with the TA-E80ES preamp, the TA-N80ES was junked at the ES turning point and replaced by the TA-N90ES ; the heat problem was addressed and the latter sported TWO heatsinks.
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It seems like you and not John are the one who likes to borrow their information without giving credit where credit is due.
~Maxx~
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Posted: 2006-03-12 15:16
On 2006-03-12 14:58, Maxxwire wrote:
Anyway, all three versions had more output than the original 1987 design and two more big caps (4700µF/80V) on the main power board. The sometimes problematic meters of the N77ES were banned and a pair of true/false balanced inputs thrown in for good measure ; the N80 (like the N77) however is a single-ended design. Unfortunately, this addition was made using rather low-end componentry.
Along with the TA-E80ES preamp, the TA-N80ES was junked at the ES turning point and replaced by the TA-N90ES ; the heat problem was addressed and the latter sported TWO heatsinks. ......................
~Maxx~
Maxx, John....As you may know...I have been considering one of these amps to power my mains.....
I not quite sure how to interpret the above statements....mainly the first paragraph....I would prefer the N77 due to the meters....
What additional "low end componentry" specifically do you guys think they are speaking of ?
Steve~
Sony DA5 ES Sony TA-N9000 ES (Bi-Amping Mains & Center) Sony CX985 400 Disc DVD/CD Definitive Tech... BP30 Mains CLR 3000 Powered Center w/10" sub BPVX/P Powered Surrounds w/dual 6.5" subs ea CLR 2000 Rear Center SVS 20-39 PCI Panamax 5300-EX
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Posted: 2006-03-10 15:01
But iff you like the sound of your mx-830 then keep it off course
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