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rb
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From: Canada
 |  Posted: 2006-02-16 20:26
On 2006-02-16 01:05, The-Ish316 wrote:
Have you heard of the recommendations of Mapleshade? They recommend using air-dried maple blocks for mounting and mass loading. They also produce special brass spikes, too. They claim maple (not kiln-dried) has superior acoustic properties. I'm a little dubious on the actual mass being enough to do much.
Has anyone tried using maple this way?
I have heard that Maple really does work and i've been to Mapleshade's website on a few occasions. They really do have some nice products but their prices border on criminal for what you get.
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jttar
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 | Posted: 2006-02-16 21:55
On 2006-02-16 20:26, rb wrote:
I have heard that Maple really does work and i've been to Mapleshade's website on a few occasions. They really do have some nice products but their prices border on criminal for what you get.
Rick,
I couldn't agree more. I no longer even look at the catalogs I get from Mapleshade because of the ridiculous prices of their products. They do have a large collection of Jazz CD's though.
Joe
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rb
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From: Canada
| Posted: 2006-02-16 22:11
This guy is much more reasonable on price and will build just about anything to spec.
http://www.timbernation.com/MaplePlatform_PopUp.cfm
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jttar
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| Posted: 2006-02-16 23:03
Rick,
Nice find. You aren't kidding about the guy's prices being reasonable and it looks like he does beautiful work.
Joe
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Maxxwire
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 | Posted: 2006-02-17 02:11
A 9" X 12" X 2" Unfinished Maple Isolation Platform for $50 is a fair price.
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Bagdropper
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From: Cedar Rapids IA
 | Posted: 2006-02-24 12:08
so these are solid pieces of maple that you set the speakers on, or your components on?
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2006-02-24 15:15
Most people prefer to use specially made rigid coupling devices like Black Diamond Carbon Fiber Cones or some kind of pointed feet that minimize the amount of surface contact between the equipment or speakers and the isolation platform.
I've found that the kind, composition and pacement of the Rigid Coupling feet you use can have more of a dramatic overall effect than the isolaton platform itself.
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The-Ish316
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From: Western PA
 | Posted: 2006-03-07 12:25
Regarding the Mapleshade catalog, they do have outrageous prices, but they also have some very interesting and helpful tips aimed at improving your system sound. On the mass coupling, they seem to recommend using the resonance and mass of their air-dried maple blocks and special brass footers to acheive acoustic improvement to any speaker.
They use 2" thick boards for their component platforms and large maple blocks for their speaker stands.
They have some tips for mass loading in their catalogs too.
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2006-03-07 15:21
On 2006-03-07 12:25, The-Ish316 wrote:
Regarding the Mapleshade...On the mass coupling, they seem to recommend using the resonance and mass of their air-dried maple blocks and special brass footers to acheive acoustic improvement to any speaker.
They use 2" thick boards for their component platforms and large maple blocks for their speaker stands.
Every Audio system is comprised of different types and designs of equipment and speakers in a room that has unique resonance responses that it exposes the equipment and speakers to which will in turn influence their sound.
There is no simple answer to Resonance Tuning. Brass Points on Maple Blocks may work for some and not for others.
Only extensive experimentation will tell you what works best.
If you decide to try Mass Loading with Maple Blocks there are places that you can get them that have much better prices than Mapleshade does.
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The-Ish316
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| Posted: 2006-03-07 16:39
Actually, I am working on a plan to get the air-dried maple and put together a simple stand myself. The Mapleshade designs are very simple, and I think I could do a better job and more pleasing design myself.
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2006-03-08 02:17
The-Ish316- I look forward to seeing how your DIY equipment stand turns out as well as hear about its sonic benefits and also how much money you saved compared to Mapleshade's price.
~Maxx~
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The-Ish316
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| Posted: 2006-03-08 12:17
Thanks, Maxx. I will definetely share my results, but please don't hold your breath waiting. It will be quite some time as I plan, acquire materials and work out getting access to a workshop.
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2006-03-08 15:20
The-Ish316- No rush, I know that good quality work takes time.
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psavtech
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From: Chicago
 | Posted: 2006-03-09 09:08
Jittar,
Speaking of mass loading, i've been looking for some good slabs of granite/marble for my athenas. I finaly struck gold at a monument maker in the west suburbs. I got a pair of 2 1/4" thick 16X16" peices of black marble for a very nominal price. I then cut 9 holes in a 16X16 piece of MDF. Placed 9 squash balls in the holes, marble on top of the balls, make sure it's level. Put some cheap trim around the bottom so you don't see the balls, but make sure the trim isn't touching the stone. Works like a charm. It ended up costing about 150$ for the pair, but then i spent a bit more on some nice black granite trim.
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The-Ish316
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From: Western PA
| Posted: 2006-03-09 09:32
Welcome, psavtech. What a wonderful application of the mass loading with the de-coupling that Maxx and others often encourage. Did you notice much difference in the sound of your AS-F2.2s? Or have you had them long enough to recognize their "voice."
I'm with you, and all about what you spoke of in another string—biggest-bang-for-the-buck system." I'm sure you'll enjoy your hobby as much as I and many others do on this forum.
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