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    beer786

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    Joined: Jan 23, 2006
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    From: usa california

      Posted: 2006-01-23 22:18

    i want to make an order for sony's 2x100w stereo reciver and pair it with some 3 way sony floorstanding speakers. i wanna know if sonys STR-DE197 reciver can be hooked up to a powered sub. if so how is it done and what is the benifit/ disadvantage vs a sub out on a reciver. also i have heard u have to put the wires together but i dont think its achivable with the spring clips in the back of the reciver. thanks all help would be appreicated. first post hope it was good!


       


    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-01-24 00:55

    Beer786- You made a good first post.

    You can always run wires from the speaker terminals to the Subwoofer instead of from the DE197.

    What kind of Music are you planning on listening to with the Sony DE197 and the two speakers and Subwoofer you plan on getting?

    ~Maxx~



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    jehill
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      Posted: 2006-01-24 15:13

    The STR-DE197 doesn't include a subwoofer PRE OUT (line level signal controlled by volume control), meaning the that the only way that you can connect a subwoofer is to connect the two speaker channels to the speaker level inputs on the subwoofer as Maxx suggested.  This doesn't put a load on the amps because the voltage is attenuated to line level within the subwoofer circuitry.

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    -John

    Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550 and AVD-LA2500PKG, consisting of AVD-C70ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer


       
    beer786

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      Posted: 2006-01-24 16:04

    biggest gauge speaker cable that will fit in the back of those spring clips on the back of the sony reciver?


       
    jehill
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      Posted: 2006-01-24 16:41

    That's a good question!  I wasn't aware of the fact that spring clips were provided for speaker terminals.

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    -John

    Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550 and AVD-LA2500PKG, consisting of AVD-C70ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer


       
    SPCOOLIN
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      Posted: 2006-01-24 17:31

    Other advantages to a line-out for the sub typically are:

    1)Separate Sub volume control in the receiver setup menu that can be accessed from the comfort of your listening position via the remote control....and sometimes...
    2) Bass re-direction with Adjustable crossover to the sub..also accessible from the remote...see: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/loudspeakers/bassmanagementbasics.php 

    Another way to connect is to run the speaker wire to the sub first...
    Most "Active" subs have speaker level R/L In & Out nowadays....
    If sub has no outs...You could also twist the speaker wires together at the sub, sending the extra pairs on to the speakers.

    Active (self powered) subs should also have a volume control and adjustable crossover built into the sub's plate amp.

    Steve~

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    [ This message was edited by: SPCOOLIN on 2006-01-24 17:34 ]


       
    royphil345

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      Posted: 2006-01-24 18:03



    The STR-DE197 has A and B speaker outputs. The best way for you to hook up a sub would be to connect your mains to A and your subwoofer's speaker-level inputs to B. No "twisting the wires together" necessary. Then adjust the volume and crossover frequency on the sub for best results. Set it and forget it.

    You could also connect the sub to the speaker outputs (A or B) and the main speakers to the sub's speaker outputs. Think with this method the crossover frequency between the sub and speakers is automatically set pretty high with most subs though. This method might be the best choice for smaller main speakers. With larger mains, your sub would be wasting power reproducing frequencies that could be handled by the mains / receiver amp.

    I've got a system running a Sony SA-WX700 sub with Sony SS-MF750H mains and it sounds WAY more expensive than it was. Using my HT receiver to handle the crossover at 60 Hz, I've never heard a sub blend so seamlessly with the main speakers. The only weakness of the Sony SS towers seems to be the highest highs and lowest lows (if I set my crossover lower than 60 Hz there is a "hole"). Surprisingly flat frequency response throughout the frequencies they handle well though. Not the most "detailed" sound you'll ever hear, but a very nice 3D soundstage probably due to the nice, even frequency response through the mids with maybe a little added warmth. Get a very solid "clubby" sound out of the system, never harsh. Impresses visitors. Can play LOUD with enough clean power to the mains (Carver A-760x sees to that)!!!


    [ This message was edited by: royphil345 on 2006-01-24 19:03 ]


       
    beer786

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      Posted: 2006-01-24 18:11

    the sony SA-WX700 really looks sharp, you all have an opinion on it?



       
    royphil345

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      Posted: 2006-01-24 18:23

    LOL....

    Just modified my post... and there's my opinion of the SA-WX700.

    Can't be beat for the money and probably quite a bit more. Excellent results with the Sony SS mains. Plays very low, sounds excellent and has enough power to keep up with the SS-MF750H playing at their full power handling capacity.

    [ This message was edited by: royphil345 on 2006-01-24 18:44 ]


       
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-01-25 03:04

    Beer786- Its important that you won't be asking too much in the way of performance from the DE197. Will you be using it for Music or possibly Movies too?

    ~Maxx~

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    beer786

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      Posted: 2006-01-25 10:22

    i was told for the money the best thing to do was spring for a yamaha(yes i know its not sony! ) HTR-5830 5.1 reciver 110w x5 and than just do the system off of that. in terms of low price its 180 bucks and seems like a good bargin. i can run the sony mains no problem and than just utilize the sub out. also i can go full fledged 5.1 if i want later.The downside for the reciver is it has spring clips for the surround speakers on back which i find cheezy just the fronts are screw type posts. anyway in regards to the sony dual fireing 10 inch sub, it looks really nice and the build quality looks great (fat surround, nice cabnit , nice heaft) and i heard it hits low low with some signifigant bass impact. i wil be using the setup for music (country, a little rap and hiphop , classical pretty much the whole spectrum) and movies (mostly action)

    [ This message was edited by: beer786 on 2006-01-25 10:24 ]


       
    SPCOOLIN
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      Posted: 2006-01-25 16:26

    beer~

    It's important to realise that the Sony DE197 is a "stereo" recevier, that is pretty much at the bottom of Sony's lineup.

    Every manufactuer has Bottom Line products to appeal different folks...
    If you are going to compare manufactuers products, try to do it MSRP to MSRP, or Apples to Apples.

    The Sony you originally asked about was not built as a multi channel surround sound receiver, and was really only intended for budget 2 channel stereo reproduction...without subwoofer....

    Steve~

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    jehill
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      Posted: 2006-01-25 17:29






    On 2006-01-24 18:03, royphil345 wrote:
    You could also connect the sub to the speaker outputs (A or B) and the main speakers to the sub's speaker outputs. Think with this method the crossover frequency between the sub and speakers is automatically set pretty high with most subs though.


    A subwoofer's speaker level outputs are usually connected directly to the speaker level input terminals. Meaning that the result is no different than connecting the mains directly to the amp, other than the effect of any difference in the overall length of the speaker wire.  The speaker level inputs are attenuated to line level and passed through a low pass filter to the subwoofer amp.  The filter in no way effects the speaker level outputs, meaning that you can set the crossover frequency where ever you like.

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    -John

    Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550 and AVD-LA2500PKG, consisting of AVD-C70ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer


       
    Maxxwire
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      Posted: 2006-01-25 23:26

    Beer786- What is your proposed budget for a Receiver?

    ~Maxx~

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    royphil345

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      Posted: 2006-01-26 18:38









    On 2006-01-25 17:29, jehill wrote:

     
    A subwoofer's speaker level outputs are usually connected directly to the speaker level input terminals. Meaning that the result is no different than connecting the mains directly to the amp, other than the effect of any difference in the overall length of the speaker wire.  The speaker level inputs are attenuated to line level and passed through a low pass filter to the subwoofer amp.  The filter in no way effects the speaker level outputs, meaning that you can set the crossover frequency where ever you like.




    I've owned a couple subs (JBL and Mirage)  that automatically crossed over the sub and speakers at around 100 Hz when the speaker-level ins and outs were being used. Maybe manufacturers aren't doing this anymore. Know I didn't like that feature when I was using speaker-level connections. Have only used the line-level in on the Sony...

    [ This message was edited by: royphil345 on 2006-01-26 18:43 ]


       
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