Maxx sorry for the confusion, I agree with you 100 %, I mentioned internal wiring only because blackvette stated that they use plain old copper inside components, no Monster cable inside, when in fact some companies are quite particular about the type and quality of the wire they choose for the internal wiring.
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
Posted: 2004-12-24 16:31
Maybe part of the problem here is that blackvette is under the impression that Monster makes quality wiring.
Here's a quote from the Moderator at the Sound and Vision Magazine Forum-
"HDMI is a Digital transfer medium and the theory is that Digital can go on for very long runs without any degradation.
Ultimately, the quality and construction of the HDMI wire itself is what will degrade the Video signal."
Santa (well UPS) bought me a 975v DVD player on 12/24 and I am AMAZED at how good the picture is. The TV is a new Hitachi 57F510 that I purchased at the end of November. My previous DVD player is a Sony DVP-S550D that I purchased in May 99 for $499. It has worked great since I bought it so I hope the 975 equals it in longevity. In an amazing show of engineering continuity, Sony uses the same setup menu scheme on the 975 as on the 550. This made setting it up easier for me.
Last night I watched "I, Robot" and the picture was so clear and fine and detailed it was like being at the movies. The colors are bright and vibrant. Even the sound seemed better but now I am getting into a subjective area.
As did another poster to the thread I bought a cheap 3 meter HDMI cable from the Computer Cable Store for $31. At least this appears cheap compared to the 3 digit prices I was seeing elsewhere. As the other poster said, for digital signals the cable quality, and price is certainly no indication of quality, does not matter as much as it does for an analog signal. If the receiving device can tell the differance between a 1 and a 0 it does not matter if there has been any signal degradation. Only when the signal is so degraded that the receiver cannot differentiate between a 1 and a 0 is there a problem. Of course the cable cannot inject errors (change a 1 to 0, add/subtract bits) but if the receiver does a CRC check on the received data and there is a retransmission algorithim as in computer networks then even bad cables can give good results. Don't you just love the digital world.
These are the cable specs:
Eliminates unnecessary signal conversions.
Supports standard, enhanced, or high-definition video at 24 bits/pixel, 165MHz max clock frequency.
Supports up to 8 channel digital audio on a single cable eliminating costly A/D signal conversions.
Bi-directional control signal transfer.
5 Gbps bandwidth, 55% spared for future expansion.
Simple, user-friendly connector.
Per HDMI standard, HDTV sent as 16x9 & SDTV as 4x3 over 30 AWG 100 ohm, .5 amp, 500 VAC DWV double shielded cable.
DHLabs makes some excellent cables, I buy mine from the Parts Connexion and have them terminate them, saves me bundles.
----------------- rb
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
Posted: 2004-12-26 01:22
bbeacham- So good to hear that the DVP 975 works so well for you!
As is contained in your stats for the HDMI cable you are running the Video signal has both a Bitrate and a Clockrate (165M hz) which means if those 1's and 0's which have been clocked don't get to the processor exactly when they are supposed to then the signal will have jitter and if the jitter rate is more than the allowable number of picoseconds (about 250 trilloinths of a second I've read) then there will be errors in the picure as a result because the Data did not arrive exactly on time.
An HDMI cable that has been built to the exacting standards of this high bandwidth interface can help to minimize the timing errors known as jitter and deliver an even more accurate Digital signal which translates into an even better picture because the data is arriving on time.
Considering the amount of money that the owners of these Digital Monitors have already spent I would think that $X00 for a quality HDMI cable to ensure the highest quality picture would be a sound investment.
Hopefully some brave soul will try a Premium Quality HDMI cable like the Kimber Kable or DH Labs Silver Sonic and compare it with the budget brand and compare the results.
_Maxx
----------------- A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
I'll let everyone in on this BEFORE it gets out of hand...
There seems to be an issue with the DVPNS975V. I ran into two different units the same day that seemed to lock their tray on their own, and will not let you unlock it with the standard dealer codes. The player quits responding altogether and does not let you do anything. I figure it's an IC, but haven't been able to localize the exact culprit. Perhaps this is two isolated incidents, but I found it a bit coincidental to hear about these two players an hour apart.
If this happens to you, you can get your disc out by moving that small plastic "cap" that is on the bottom front of the unit, below the tray. Using a narrow tool, you can slide the tray override to open the tray. Do not try to "fix" the unit yourself, you will void your warranty by tampering. (And you don't want to void your Sony Warranty... You did buy it from an authorized dealer... didn't you??? DIDN'T YOU????)
I don't know if Sony is aware of the problem yet... I have submitted information to them on it, but I assume that they don't have any resolve yet. There is no bulletins on ESI about this problem.
If you have a "bad" player, follow Sony's directions to exchange your unit via Sony's "Peace of Mind" program... but don't jump the gun!!!! If your unit isn't failing, don't get it exchanged yet, because the exchanged unit will be no different from the one you would have... yet.
My final suggestion... Do not complain about Sony, threaten to sue Sony, claim that you are "never going to buy Sony", or take any similar action. Just like the STRDAX000 problems of months past, Sony will remedy the situation, and please give them time to come up with a solution.
I will try to keep you all informed if and when more information becomes available.
It is a nice unit that is well put together. A nice peice of hardware from SamSony.
I have KF-60WE610 with one DVI input which is being used by my Disk Network HDTV SAT box. Can I get 1080i on component connection? or am I better off with the 875v?
Faulkner, just tonight I ran into this very problem on my brand new dvpns975v. I've played maybe 10-15 movies on it with no problem and all of a sudden I'm unable to remove a disc with the "Tray Locked" message. I tried the "narrow tool" trick without success. I bought the unit on Ebay, what do you suggest?
Faulkner and CaptJeff1, you guys are making me paranoid.
This "tray lockup" problem is starting to sound just like the "video dropout" problem with the x000ES digital amps (it takes a while before it occurs). Doesn't Sony do any type of stress testing on their products? Have we, as a (global) society, become so obsessed with getting the cheapest price that we have sacrificed quality and pride?
Is Sony now run by MBAs who only care what a spreadsheet number is, and are not concerned by what they actually sell?
I boought the 975 about two months ago. It's great picture. Last night I went to use it. But I don't get anything. The machine won't play. It does everything, showing the messages in the window, like welcome, no disc, open, etc. But once I insert the disc and hit play, it just show the icon for play, it stays that way and won't play. I tried different discs, same results. It won't open or close. I have to turn the machine off to open tray again. Turning it off stays for a few seconds like it has a virus, then turns off. Is there an issue like this?
Joined: Apr 08, 2004
Posts: 13
From: Stillwater OK
Posted: 2005-01-02 13:21
Don't forget about sound quality with the 975V. I just upgraded to it from a Sony DVP-S530D. PQ using S-Video to a 7-y.o. Mits CRT TV is somewhat better, nothing to write home about. But DVDs sound so much better with the 975V! I'm running audio via coaxial cable to a Yamaha RX-V1400, with Paradigm speakers (CC-150, Studio 40s L & R, Titan surrounds, PDR-10 sub). Even with this relatively modest system, I'm hearing more full & precise sound on DVDs that I've watched (Under Siege, Whole Nine Yards) - it especially livened up LFE. And of course looking forward to HD video when I upgrade to that in a few months.
I've still only heard of the two 975's (Three now, thanks to CaptJeff) that have failed. Don't get me wrong... The 975V appears to be a well built player with EXCELLENT performance. The problem appears to be either a firmware glitch or a bad IC. There's still no notes on ESI (sony's tech knowledgebase) about the problem or it's cause.
I have a feeling that it is a problem with the firmware of the player... one of the units that failed indicated over 3000 hours of CD playback when we were troubleshooting... Impossible!!
I'd imagine that there should be some more info about this soon enough, and Sony will remedy the problem as soon as possible.
In the meantime... Do not buy a 975V without a Sony Warranty... Do not buy any electronics without a manufacturer's warranty... Common Sense, No?
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