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    Trying to stay on a budget and still enjoy high res sound Dashboard
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    Last Reply: November 25, 2003, 11:37 am

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    Author Trying to stay on a budget and still enjoy high res sound

    Rank: Sony Enthusiant

    Joined: Jun 23, 2003
    Posts: 34
    From: Connecticut

      Posted: 2003-11-19 13:50

    I have a question for whomever might know - I currently have a Sony SACD player (CE 775 - see post a few slots down) and the machine appears to be malfunctioning - it can't play some CDs, can't find tracks, etc. Thanks rkkwan for the input, and since the machine is out of warranty, I'll probably look to replace it vs. getting it fixed. Sony seems to have a limited selection of SACD players, unless you want to spend big bucks. Maybe that's what you have to do, but I've actually been pretty happy with my current unit which was not very expensive. My question has two parts: 1.) Will there be a significant improvement in sounds quality if I pay up for a higher end unit? and 2.) Pioneer has a low end unit (DV-563A) which plays SACDs, DVD-As, DVDs, CDs etc. This is an interesting option, given that it plays both high resolution formats. The biggest criticism I've seen of the machine is that it doesn't use DSD, but actually outputs PCM. I thought DSD was for analog out and PCM is a digital standard, so I'm not sure how that can be. Can it? If so, that sort of defeats the purpose of getting a SACD player, doesn't it? (I guess that's actually three parts...)




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    Joined: Jun 23, 2003
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    From: Connecticut

      Posted: 2003-11-19 13:52

    I should add:

    DA-5ES receiver, Klipsch KLF 20s in front, Wharfedale Center and JBL Northridge 26(I think) in the back.


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    Joined: Jun 23, 2003
    Posts: 34
    From: Connecticut

      Posted: 2003-11-19 14:37

    Klipsch KSW-1- sub woofer too


    Rank: Ultimate Sony Reviewer

    Joined: Aug 23, 2002
    Posts: 2623
    From: Houston, TX

      Posted: 2003-11-19 17:20

    I have not listened to the Pioneer, so I can't tell you what's the SACD performance is like.

    There were a lot of talk about the Pioneer converting DSD to PCM before the player came out, but it seems like most actual users find the sound pretty good. The way it works is that it uses a new low-cost Philips chip that decodes both DSD (from SACD) and PPCM (from DVD-A). Whether it actually converts DSD into PCM, I don't know.

    In other "univesal" players, including all the models from Denon, Yamaha, etc, they use seperate DSD and DVD-A decoders.

    I guess there are a few options you can do:

    - Get the 563A and try it
    - Upgrade to something like the Denon 2200
    - Get the 775 fixed. If you're somewhat tech savy, you can probably buy the optical unit ($160), find a service manual and switch it yourself.

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    Joined: Mar 04, 2003
    Posts: 2035
    From: Canada

      Posted: 2003-11-19 21:44

    tmaher--For what it's worth I would look into having your 775 repaired. Sony sold that unit at a loss especially at the end of it's model run to try and get more SACD players into peoples homes.

    It has a respectable SACD chip,uses BURR BROWN Dacs for PCM, nice sized transformer and good power supply. In short the build quality was beyond it's price. There really wasn't that much difference between it and the 222ES.

    Just for interest go to this web site and see what he says about your player.



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    From: Connecticut

      Posted: 2003-11-20 06:14

    Thanks guys for the input. Not sure what I'll do, but I will at least look into repairing my current unit.


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    Joined: May 13, 2003
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    From: Connecticut

      Posted: 2003-11-22 22:55

    You could always check out the Sony DVP-NC685, not sure the ratings its gotten, but its a 5-disc dvd/sacd carousel that sells for $250 and below. The build and sound quality of the Pioneer are subpar. I bought one to try it and brought it back. It just seemed too flimsy to be high quality. Guess for $150 not a bad deal though.

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    Joined: Oct 07, 2003
    Posts: 8

      Posted: 2003-11-25 11:37

    I am also using the Sony 775 and fortunately haven't had any problems with it so far. I paid $115 for it as a fully warrantied, but "blemished" unit from last summer. It's hard to beat that one!

    For what it's worth, I've heard only good things about Denon's 2900. I listened to a Denon 2200 in a room at Circuit City through some really great Monitor Audio speakers recently. That player seemed fine too and was listed at $599. The 2900 was $999. I believe both of these models are universal players which is another nice feature.

    Regards, David Elias

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