I am in the market for a new DVD player also. I currently have an "old" sony interlaced DVP-s360 that has a great picture using Cinemotion on my 40xbr700 (but it has increased it's frequency of c13 disc errors). I cannot imagine a better picture with a good quality DVD right now.
From what I understand, Sony really does not have any new DVD players out except for DVP-F41MS and one other "mickey-mouse" teenage looking player.
Sony has some updated releases likle the 755N ($250) with progressive scan and SACD, but from what I understand, it does not do any better than your TV. The NS999ES ($1200) that should be available on Oct 9th (in Orlando) should be better than the TV's DRC. Some Yamaha's also should be better than the TV's DRC since it employs the Faroudja chip (can get one for around $600).
All this is anecdotal since I have not personally witnessed any of them.
Joined: Aug 23, 2002
From: Houston, TX
Posted: 2002-09-14 12:40
Two thing came to mind:
1. Does the XBR's circuit do 3:2 pulldown? It'll improve the picture from film-based material, like jagged lines. Most progressive scan players do that.
2. Most people think that a 3:2 pulldown is better done at the DVD player than the TV. Reason is this - The DVD player does it while the signal is still in the digital domain, and then send the signal out through analog component out to your TV. Howver, if you're letting the TV do it, the signal has to be converted back to digital once again.
I have not compared the pictures personally. It's simply what has been explained to me.
Joined: Aug 10, 2002
From: Washington Heights,New York
Posted: 2002-09-14 13:16
Thanks.Hey Kranston I'm getting the 40xbr800.You stated that you can not imagine a better picture with a good quality dvd player.Do you think I should replace my Ps2 with a decent interlaced dvd player? Anybody else?I would appreciate any help.
Actually what I said was that I could not imagine a better picture (using my old interlaced player) with a good quality DVD...not a good quality DVD player
. But I think we're saying the same thing!
That is to say, a bad DVD will look not look good no matter what player you have (as you know). BTW, the worst I've seen is Kevin Costner's Robin Hood...totally crappy DVD.
I'm probably going to get an interim player until they figure out the blue vs. red laser issue for DVDs.
I'll probably pick up the newly released DVP-755 today or tomorrow.
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Joined: Jun 08, 2002
From: sacramento, calif.
Posted: 2002-09-15 02:40
The XBRs do 3:2 pulldown, and my DVDs look perfect on my 34xbr800 with an old interlaced DVD player --I think the new DVD "features" are not needed due to the internal features of the xbr and the relatively small screen size.
Unless you have a giant screen don't sweat the DVD choice. I am generally a perfectionist about this sort of thing, and I say on a 34-36 inch screen, the picture couldn't be any better than zero visible imperfections.
Ok, here it is...
I went out to buy the 755 (single disc) and instead ended up with the DVP-NC655 (here) and also here...scroll down for large pic... They are identical except the 755 has SACD (which I do not need), but the 655 is a 5 disc changer (which I like). Both has 3/2 pulldown.
Both cost $229.00 at Sound Advice. I figured this player would become my 5 disc CD player when DVD DVI is out (and hopefully blue laser in a year or 2?).
Remember my old interlaced first-generation component-out Sony 360 with the outstanding picture? Well now I had a new progressive player to compare it to.
After playing 5th Element and LotR, going back and forth (hooking-up and un-hooking players). Also, just using the 655 and toggling (not as easy as it sounds) between progressive and interlaced...I found that interlaced looked better! Progressive made colors different...not bad, but not better in my eyes. It also made the picture darker. The 655 has a MEMORY mode to alter the color/brightness/picture/hue output from the player. I used this to make adjustments instead of messing with my 40XBR700 settings. The only thing I changed on the TV for comparison's sake was the DRC. I tried progressive, interlaced and cinemotion corresponding to the output of the DVD player. I ended up on cinemotion...even though the player does it's own 3/2 pulldown.
It takes hours to mess around with this stuff and I have such an outstanding picture with interlaced, that I gave up trying to make progressive commensurate. Guess I won't have that little neat "progressive" amber light lit in front of the player!
The colors just looked more natural on interlaced, and to get everything brighter in progressive mode, it made viewing slightly uncomfortable (for my eyes). Also with such good test DVDs, there was no real discernable difference in picture grain. Trust me, I really wanted progressive mode to work. Perhaps I needed to adjust my TV itself for use with this player, but I did not want to. When I get the 40/800 I will (because I'll have to!). With such an outstanding interlaced picture, folks with the 40/700 may consider leaving the player in interlaced mode, because the TV will not automatically switch to 16:9 vertical compression mode with a progressive player.
Finally, this is one outstanding TV, and its DRC is just plain fantastic with DVDs. Progressive mode did not cut it for me. Perhaps when I get my 100 inch front projection setup I may notice an improvement with progressive. Maybe these sets are just too good?
Joined: Aug 23, 2002
From: Houston, TX
Posted: 2002-09-15 23:05
kranston - I have the NS900V for about a month now, and I also had a lot of trouble with the black level/brightness when using the progressive out. While I can easily calibrate the interlace out with an AVIA disc for a black level, I either lose detail or have to raise the black level to a point where black becomes gray.
Fortuantely, that is UNTIL I played with the gamma control on the NS900V. Since your 655 seems to also have a "picture memory" function, I suggest you play with it. What I did was raise the lowest setting from 32 to 43, and adjust the higher ones accordingly.
The resulting picture is excellent, with very nice black level output. I don't know why there's such a problem with this Sony DVD players, but at least there's a way to fix it.
[ This message was edited by: rkkwan on 2002-09-15 23:06 ]
[ This message was edited by: rkkwan on 2002-09-16 12:20 ]
I had a friend bring over his progressive-scan Toshiba DVD player (I unfortuntately don't know what model.) I have a Sony S7700 DVD player with the 34xbr800. I was also quite worried to see if I would have to get a progressive scan dvd player. Well, after the test I can tell you that I am in absolutely no hurry to buy a progressive scan dvd player. I think the xbr800 does a great job and wasn't worth me giving up my DVD player. IMHO I didn't like quality of the TOSHIBA dvd player anyways as it made things look really pixelated and blocky.
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