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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
 |  Posted: 2006-11-02 15:50
Well I don't know why or how it works, all I can say it that it sure does. After two weeks the 3.1 is sounding even better than new. Which was pretty awesome I must say. The details and smoothness are better. These improvements are subtle but result in a significant improvement. The biggest area of improvement is the soundstage. It's enormous and imaging within it is more precise. I feel I'm truly beginning to understand the exspense of ultra high end equipment. Yes it's diminishing returns as in most cases the improvements are subtle but those subtlties all lead up to a sound that's far better. The whole being greater than the sum of it's parts thing. A tiny more 3dimensionality, a tiny bit better clarity, a touch more warmth and smoothness, etc. all lead up to vastly superior and more "real" sound. This is the case with 3.1. It's made everything a little better. (In some instances quite a bit better though.) Yet the end result is soooo much better. After a week I had a chance to do some listening on my weekend and I could tell it had improved. So this weekend ( the last two days) I began re-experimenting with different combos. Now I've found my best results are the 3.1 plugged into the VansEvers in turn plugged in to the wall. I also did some resonance tuning to the 3.1. It now sits upon it's own black finished oak stand. (made from a piece of a speaker stand.) It's decoupled from the stand by one IsolPad and is in turn weighted with a brick(coated with Dynaspray) that is decoupled from the 3.1 by two properly cut to size sheets of Sorbothane. The 3.1 responded to RT to a lessser degree than my other PLCs, (RT has the greatest effect on the VansEvers. Go figure) perhaps due to it's weight, materials, and internal construction. Yet it still responded. The result is a sound that's so close to natural with a soundstage that's so huge and precise it's kinda scary. Also the bass is so good now that I could be OK with it just the way it is. (I should note that's without the TAE inserted for volume control of the TAN. The TAN is running directly from MMM preouts.) But I am still going to get a MCH power amp to biamp all of my speakers. I've had this vision for some time now and I still plan on having it. The problem with the TAN is that it sounds much better bridged IMHO. Thus I can only power two speakers with it. So another MCH amp is needed. When I settle on an amp and get it I'll have Mav make me another 3.1. I can't imagine my system complete without all vital components connected to a 3.1. I've really found it to be that good. In fact I told my wife this morning that in all honesty I feel it's the single greatest improvement to my system that I've made since I got MMM.
Mav, an outstanding acievement my friend. I couldn't be happier with it. Thanks for everything including the pics (Ian, I see you ). That was very special. Your friend_MMMike
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
 | Posted: 2006-10-05 21:45
Gaday Guys,
Thought I'dd let you see my power conditioners before they hit ebay.
Has any one heard from Myky I Did promise him the first one ?
I changed the original idea of 3 pin sockets on the power conditioner to 2 high quality shielded power leads with IEC plugs(C-079) .That way the only change is the 3 pin plug and 120volt 15 amp (rated at 1800watts)Thermal Circuit Breaker for you guys in the States and 240volt 10amp(rated at 2400watts) Thermal Breaker for us in Aussie land(can't see it in these photo's on other side of the black box).Can't give away any trade secrets Know but they do have some high quality filtering devices courtesy of your great nation.I don't want to boast but these ones definatley out perform my prototype probably because I've removed plug in connections with clean high quality silver solder connections.
cheers Maverick.
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
 | Posted: 2006-10-05 23:29
Maverick,
Thanks for letting us have the first look. They look fantastic. If they filter as good as they look, you have a winner. The craftsmanship certainly shows in these great pictures.
I wish you all the success in the world. I hope the word spreads and your sales soar.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-06 02:14
Thanks Joe,
I have one more complete sitting in the wings(3 in total complete) and parts for half a fourth .Thought I'dd sell the first couple and see what happens before endeavouring into more money outlay.The parts/material alone broke into 4 figures so there not as cheap as I had anticipated but still a good price compared to there opposition .
I've included 2 original IEC C-079 and a P-079 plugs on each 120volt version ,the plugs alone recommended price seperatley sold are over $100 each with out the power conditioner comming into the equation so it will be interesting to here yours and others feed back .I'll tag my ebay site when i put them on tomorrow.
cheers Maverick.
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Toli
Sony Master
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Posts: 8509
From: Winthrop Harbor, IL USA
 | Posted: 2006-10-06 12:33
On 2006-10-05 21:45, maverick11359 wrote:
Has any one heard from Myky I Did promise him the first one ?
cheers Maverick.
maverick11359,
Have considered sending one of your power conditioners to Maxxwire to compare to the Panamax unit that he uses?
Toli
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
 | Posted: 2006-10-06 18:00
On 2006-10-05 21:45, maverick11359 wrote: Has any one heard from Myky I Did promise him the first one?
Maverick- I can't remember exactly if you promised MMMike #0001 or not, but I warn you if he does get it after he's tried it out and likes it he's never going to stop telling everyone how great it is!
Considering that the MM-1 Line Conditioner uses an ultra high quality proprietary filtering system along with the hard wired power line in and 2 hardwired outputs each with high quality IEC connectors I certainly hope that you have an asking price that reflects the true worth of this fine piece of workmanship in that most of the Line Conditioners out there don't include all of the high quality external Power Cords and plugs that the MM-1 has!
As an example two of my Line Conditioners came without input or output Power Cords which cost up to $200 each to connect to the line current and the Audio equipment! An additional cost of $400 for Power Cords is a huge
consideration when buying a Line Conditioner.
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-06 18:09
On 2006-10-06 12:33, Toli wrote:
On 2006-10-05 21:45, maverick11359 wrote:
Has any one heard from Myky I Did promise him the first one ?
cheers Maverick.
maverick11359,
Have considered sending one of your power conditioners to Maxxwire to compare to the Panamax unit that he uses?
Toli
Gaday Toli,
probably a good idea but at around $45.00 AUD to the States postage I was hoping to sell one to Myky and see what he thought .I am going to give a 21 day return policy from date of purchase incase it doesn't perform to the individuals likings so that's a way out for unhappy customers.
If I don't hear from MyKy soon it might be a sound alternative to mail one to Maxx to test, unfortunatley as i have previously stated times are tough and i'm working on a shoe string budget(I havn't bought an sacd in 4 months).
cheers Maverick
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-06 18:10
On 2006-10-06 12:33, Toli wrote: Have considered sending one of your power conditioners to Maxxwire to compare to the Panamax unit that he uses? Toli
Toli- Thanks for the thought, but for the last several years I have only been using the Panamax as a Surge Protector to supply line current the 3 individuated Programmable Line Conditioners that I use to run the Digital front end, Preamp and Power Amp in my Audio system.
I did try to upgrade the Panamax with a Transparent Ultra Powerbank, but it was unable to to improve upon what the 3 dedicated Line Conditioners were already doing to reduce RFI/EMI contamination any further.
~Maxx~
A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
The quest for truly great Audio reproduction is one where a keen interest in knowledge and plenty of curiosity combined with vigorous application will take you further than mere riches ever could!
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-06 18:35
On 2006-10-06 18:09, maverick11359 wrote: If I don't hear from MyKy soon it might be a sound alternative to mail one to Maxx to test.
Maverick- I would be honored to test the MM-1, but unfortunately I don't think that I could give it a fair test becase the only place in my Audio system that the MM-1 would plug n' play would be my Digital front end and it uses 3 single, double and tripple network filtered Power cords as well as a highly effective broadband RFI filter on each of the Digital Processor's power supplies.
To evaluate the MM-1 in this type of a situation would not give a full indication of what its fantastic proprietary RFI filtering can do all on its own.
~Maxx~
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Toli
Sony Master
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Posts: 8509
From: Winthrop Harbor, IL USA
| Posted: 2006-10-06 19:46
On 2006-10-06 18:10, Maxxwire wrote:
Toli- Thanks for the thought, but for the last several years I have only been using the Panamax as a Surge Protector to supply line current the 3 individuated Programmable Line Conditioners that I use to run the Digital front end, Preamp and Power Amp in my Audio system.
~Maxx~
A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
The quest for truly great Audio reproduction is one where a keen interest in knowledge and plenty of curiosity combined with vigorous application will take you further than mere riches ever could!
Maxx,
I understand if you can't do it, but what you said above is exactly why I think that you'ld be the ideal person to test Mav's new line conditioner, with all your experience with line conditioners, especially the Panamax models. If you were to insert Mav's line conditioner into your system and get the same or similar results and you'ld be promoting Mav's new product. In my opinion, not many things could be as effective, especially among the Agoraquest faithful, than an endorsement from Maxxwire.
maverick11359,
I was was looking to promote my new product, I can't imagine a better way to spend $45.00 AUS.
Toli
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-06 23:15
On 2006-10-06 19:46, Toli wrote: If you were to insert Mav's line conditioner into your system and get the same or similar results and you'ld be promoting Mav's new product.
Just from the descriptions I've already heard of its performance I'm sure that Maverick's MM-1 far surpasses the little I've heard my Panamax do in the way of actually improving the sound quality of the Audio equipment that is hooked up to it.
To insert the MM-1 directly into my Audio system and test it directly it would have to have a minimum of 2 sets of 3 pin Duplex outlets like the Panamax or the Transparent has-
The current version of the MM-1 would simply not integrate well with my Audio system because I'm one of those people who already has aftermarket Power Cords that are just the right length and were custom chosen to work well with my Audio equipment, but a version of the MM-1 with two 3 pin Duplex outlets would work perfectly.
Most Line Conditioners that I have seen here in the States have 3 pin Duplex outlets. Maverick might reconsider his original idea of making a version of the MM-1 with 3 pin Duplex outlets to give it a wider compatability footprint.
~Maxx~
A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
The quest for truly great Audio reproduction is one where a keen interest in knowledge and plenty of curiosity combined with vigorous application will take you further than mere riches ever could!
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-07 02:32
Gaday Maxx and Toli,
I can see were your comming from Maxx,
Though I had to make a decison a while back as to simplicity for one design for both countrys I assumed IEC plugs were universal to most quality equipment so it would be simpler to leave out your 3 pin indigenous reciprocal from the equation and have only to change the intital 3 pin plug on the supply side here before shipped.
I assumed it would be a matter of unplugging the player and Preamp or reciever from the existing power conditioners on the rear of the componet and plugging in my Mav's 3.1 P.C and then into a wall socket outlet(reciprocal).
But I do understand where your comming from with your set up! anyway let me know what you think of my ebay page here it is
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&item=260039138034&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
I spoke to my dad about marketing last week (ex Auidio retail manager , marketing manager and electronics engineer) and a well liked local entrepreneur 10 years my senior here in Coffs today (owns a few office buildings in my town)they gave me some sound advice about marketing and final costs.So the above costs were the end result we came up with as well as my policy warranty.
Love to hear your thoughts but if critical please email me . Wouldn't be helpfull for sales otherwise.
Cheers maverick
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-07 15:47
WOW! Mav's 3.1 P.C. on eBay!
This is fantastic Rick! What a thrill to read your eBay offering for the first time knowing all that it took for you to get there!
As far as outlets go someone from the North America may come along someday wanting a 120v Mav's 3.1 P.C. with the 3 pin Duplex outlet that is so commonly used here by those who use high quality aftermarket power cords and I'm sure you will know how to deal with the demand when the time comes as I'm sure it will knowing how large a Membership Agoraquest has in North America and how many Members own fine Sony products which were made with captured power cords.
Congratulations Rick! I will do everything I can to promote your fine product after hearing how well Mav's 3'1 P.C. worked with everything from Sony to Moon to Krell Audio equipment.
~Maxx~
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-10-07 20:27
Maverick,
Your eBay ad looks great, very professional looking. I can see that the same detail went into the eBay listing as the "Mav's 3.1" conditioner.
Nice work.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-08 17:30
Thanks Maxx and Joe,
I'll see what the responce is over the next couple of weeks .
cheers Mav'
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-09 00:33
Maverick- We just want to see that Mav' International is a great success!
~Maxx~
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-11 23:44
Maverick- Sorry to hear that the skeptics gave you such a bad time. They fight so hard because it would hurt them dearly if anyone were to discover the many sonic improvements to be had by using Mav's 3.1 P.C.!
Now the time has come for the Custom Made Mav's 3.1 P.C. Special Edition!
Soon the fortunate few who will be able to own one of the limited production run units of the new Mav's 3.1 PCSE will be able to enjoy all of the many benefits of owning this well engineered Power Conditioner.
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-12 00:04
Gaday Maxx,
Thankyou for those very,very kind words and thoughts my friend will see what the future holds.
I just finished mowiing the lawns near 6" high and I,m heading for the showers and shave.
your friend from down under ,
MaveRick.
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-12 01:03
MMMike- Its unfortunate the way things have turned out with production of Mav's 3.1 P.C., but one thing is for sure and that is there will only be one person with the honor of owning the one with the Serial Number 001!
I'd love to be a fly on the wall and hear the conversation that ensues when one of your friends asks where you got your Mav's 3.1 P.C. and how he could get one just like it!
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-12 03:07
Gaday guys,
Thanks MMMike,
It's interesting that so many great Australian inventions/ideas go to your great nation and ends up back in Australia .The refrigerator,the panel lift garage door,the rotary cloths line,the sat.uplink emergency beacon(used to locate sailors at sea), Wankel Rotary Engine( offered to GM but ended up with Mazda) and the list goes on. And its probably because of the drama of trying to fund and release them in Australia.
Anyway I'll get back to enjoying my music which is what i love best.
Guys I didn't tell you I tried your TaraLabs SRC primes couple of weeks back!
Interesting very different interconnect cable to the other Tara prism interconnects.There a little bass heavy for my system at this stage but have much cleaner transparent mids and upper mid/highs.
I might put them on Ebay I havn't thought about them to much of late
Cheers Maverick
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-12 03:49
On 2006-10-12 01:03, Maxxwire wrote:
MMMike- Its unfortunate the way things have turned out with production of Mav's 3.1 P.C., but one thing is for sure and that is there will only be one person with the honor of owning the one with the Serial Number 001!
I'd love to be a fly on the wall and hear the conversation that ensues when one of your friends asks where you got your Mav's 3.1 P.C. and how he could get one just like it!
~Maxx~
Maxx_Believe me I'm very proud to be the owner of 001 and I think it's the only North American model in existence. I would've been happier though if it had been the first in a very long and successful product run.
Maverick's told me a little of the problems that came up and I just don't understand their gripe and even less of it's validity. In our hobby it would put ALL of the modmen out of business. For that matter all of the major brands, including Sony use parts made by other companies. Home audio isn't the only area this happens in either. How about some of the really expensive areas it happens in? Anybody heard of the Hennesey Viper Venom or a Callaway Corvette? Those are highly, sought after and priced modded units. I can't imagine there being a problem with somebody buying and using parts readily for sale on the open market, applying some ingenuity and skill, putting together a product with them and selling it to the general public. I've always thought that's what free enterprise was about. What are these after market parts for sale for anyway then? Seems like petty jealousy and a desire to not see others succeed if you ask me._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-11 15:57
MMMike- Will you be getting the 120v version of Mav's 3.1 P.C. just as it is pictured or in a customized configuration?
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-11 16:53
Maxx_It'll be just like the pic._MMMike
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Toli
Sony Master
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Posts: 8509
From: Winthrop Harbor, IL USA
| Posted: 2006-10-11 17:00
maverick11359
After your power conditioner turns out to be a big success, do you have any plans to manufacture a model that also includes a surge protector?
Toli
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-11 18:43
Gaday My friends,
It's with sad of heart that I've decided not to manufacture any more P.C's the drama it has caused with some even slightly threatening personal Emails has tired me out this last week. Apart from defending and explanning that the power conditioners do work , it took a total of 22.5 hours to build 3 units to get my build quality satisfaction(more time than i have spare apart from my normal work).
I am an Electrical contractor first and last. So the only way i will contemplate building them in the future is individually for my friends and on request occasionally.
I'm still waiting for MyKy to give me his address details so i can send him .0001 thats in the picture.
Looks like my friend Manic mechanic(Ian) gets number .0002 at a very cheap price and number .0003 and .0004 operates my gear seeing how my daughter says it rocks better than my first /old prototype.
Thanks for all your support I can now sleep at night again, shave and mowe the lawns(my wife will be happy).
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-12 00:39
Maverick_My friend, I'm so sorry it didn't work out for you. But I guess the bright side for me is that MMM will have a very rare piece indeed in her system. Still I would've preferred for it to have gone differently._MMMike
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-11 06:53
MY BAAAAAD!!!!! I've been a litle busy and didn't check the DIY forum. WAY TO GO MAV!!!!! The ad looks great and you know I hope it's an overwhelming success.
For everyone_ Rick and I had agreed that I would get the first production MM-1 we've worked out the details and I've sent him my address so it'll be on it's way. I can't begin to tell you all how happy I am to have the first US version. Quite an honor really. When it gets here and I've had a chance to try it out (and let it run-in) I'll report on the results. I'm very confident that MMM is going to love her new companion. I have to say if it performs half as well as it looks it's going to be a winner._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-12 14:39
On 2006-10-12 03:49, mykyll2727 wrote: Believe me I'm very proud to be the owner of 001 and I think it's the only North American model in existence. I would've been happier though if it had been the first in a very long and successful product run._MMMike
The important thing is that Mav's 3.1 PCESE #001 (Extra Special Edition) is going to go where it is truly appreciated and and able to live up to its full potential working with the sonically gifted MMM.
I know how you will feel because I run some custom made to order equipment and it has always been a special honor to have it as part of my Audio system.
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-13 18:34
Maxx_It truly will be an honor and it'll make MMM's setup even that much more special. It's on it's way and should be here sometime within the next two weeks._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-13 19:57
MMMike- Will you be hooking up 2 pieces to Mav's 3.1 PCSE or dedicate it to being used solely with MMM?
~Maxx~
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Toli
Sony Master
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Posts: 8509
From: Winthrop Harbor, IL USA
| Posted: 2006-10-15 09:20
On 2006-10-11 18:43, maverick11359 wrote:
Gaday My friends,
It's with sad of heart that I've decided not to manufacture any more P.C's the drama it has caused with some even slightly threatening personal Emails has tired me out this last week. Apart from defending and explanning that the power conditioners do work here on an Aussie Audio forum (exhausting felt like preaching). It took a total of 22.5 hours to build 3 units to get my build quality satisfaction(more time than i have spare apart from my normal work).
maverick11359,
I'ld bet that you could always find people willing to work, to assemble the units. It may increase cost, but it wouldn't take your away from your main work.
Also, where would we be if everyone who was told that they shouldn't or couldn't do something, just didn't do it? If you really don't want to persue this, that's cool then don't. But, please don't let the jealous people take away your dreams.......
Toli
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-15 18:57
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On 2006-10-15 09:20, Toli wrote:
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On 2006-10-11 18:43, maverick11359 wrote:
Gaday My friends,
It's with sad of heart that I've decided not to manufacture any more P.C's the drama it has caused with some even slightly threatening personal Emails has tired me out this last week. Apart from defending and explanning that the power conditioners do work here on an Aussie Audio forum (exhausting felt like preaching). It took a total of 22.5 hours to build 3 units to get my build quality satisfaction(more time than i have spare apart from my normal work).
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maverick11359,
I'ld bet that you could always find people willing to work, to assemble the units. It may increase cost, but it wouldn't take your away from your main work.
Also, where would we be if everyone who was told that they shouldn't or couldn't do something, just didn't do it? If you really don't want to persue this, that's cool then don't. But, please don't let the jealous people take away your dreams.......
Toli
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</BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks Toli for your support,
So that was last week.
At this point I,m tired of the whole affair ,might take your advice down the track though .Once again thanks for your support and to all my friends support here at agoraquest.
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Toli
Sony Master
Joined: Oct 20, 2003
Posts: 8509
From: Winthrop Harbor, IL USA
| Posted: 2006-10-15 20:35
On 2006-10-15 18:57, maverick11359 wrote:
1. Thanks Toli for your support,
2. The majority of posted replys were insulting being told i was convincing myself I was hearing a difference and it was the old placebo effect ,a short post with a two word reply told me in (similar words) that i was speaking B.S. The rest of replys were skeptic at best tellimg me I was trying to sell snake oil .I was basically accused of trying to rip people of with B.S ideas like cones and P.C,s. for profit.
cheers maverick.
maverick11359,
1. No problem, you have definately got it.
2. These are probably the same type of people that scoffed at those that said that the world wasn't flat. I'ld bet that they would feel pretty stupid now. And maybe, if they actually tried some resonance tuning options, they wouldn't be so damn negative.
Toli
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-16 02:06
On 2006-10-15 18:57, maverick11359 wrote: The majority of posted replys were insulting being told i was convincing myself I was hearing a difference and it was the old placebo effect.
Maverick- It looks like you ran into a pack of Objectivists! Like all objectivists they object to any claims that can't be measured with their approved set of instruments.
Trying to expain the effects of Peizoelectrics or Line Conditioning to those folks is quite impossible because the measurements that prove the legitimacy of these concepts is beyond the limited measurement capabilities of the objectivist's equipment and even further beyond their willingness to beleive the results.
Every time I run into a pack of pathetic sniveling objectivists it just makes me more appreciative of Agoraquest were the Members are openminded and at least willing to try something before they make their mind up about whether it works for them or not!
Welcome back Maverick! We need you here!
~Maxx~
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manicmechanic
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 35
From: coffs harbour , australia
 | Posted: 2006-10-16 05:46
Hi Maverick , don't be discouraged both you and i know that the MAV 3.1 pc really does work . Although the one you gave me hasn't run in yet it has still made as noticable difference to my system . I managed to modify my DVD player by removing the hard wired power lead and fitting a IEC socket i stole of an old computer power supply so i could use your MAX 3.1PC to power both my NAD receiver and Sony DVD player . I watched a couple of movies last night and found the picture quality and sound to be greatly improved .I have also tried listening to Joe Satriarni live G3 concert at -10dB and found it to be incredibly 3 dimensional , loud and very clean with no distortion, i felt i could turn it up to the max and still be able to enjoy it.
I'm also honored to be the reciepient of one of these devices even if it is only No 0002 . THANKS Rick for all your help with these tweeks you keep showing me as my system has come along way since we started this journey , at the moment my system is sounding the best it has ever sounded and i owe it all to you. your mate IAN.
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-16 17:45
Gaday Ian,
Thanks for your support and nice letter,I came away from your house the other day (last weekend) thinking the same how your system has grown and its sonic signature now rivals the high end systems of Audio domain that I listened to a couple of years ago.When you can sit and close your eyes and believe that your standing behind Patrica Barber playing that Grand Piano , feel her presents hearing her breathing and seeing her fingers tapping that ivory,that's the ultimate experience .
My friend your $7,000 system has got you there ,a lot of people have spent several times that amount and will never reach your level of realism and transparent clarity,"enjoy".
Mave Rick
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-17 02:08
On 2006-10-16 17:45, maverick11359 wrote: My friend your $7,000 system has got you there ,a lot of people have spent several times that amount and will never reach your level of realism and transparent clarity.
Ian and Maverick- It sounds to me like you two have discovered the Secret of Audio Playback and that is that its not the amount of money that is put into an Audio system that matters, but rather how much true set up skill and knowledge is applied to an Audio system that makes it sound so outstandingly realistic and Musical.
I listened to a $50,000 McIntosh Stereo system the other day complete with a $20,000 pair of Reference speakers being run by a $15,000 pair of 1,200 wpc Monoblocks and a $9,000 Tube Preamp, but it sounded incoherent and lacking in detail retrevial with a total lack of Musicality which really suprised me because it was put together by one of the top set up men in town!
You guys keep up the good work because you are definately getting the right kind of results!
~Maxx~
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dahrich
Sonyphile
Joined: Mar 28, 2003
Posts: 749
From: California
 | Posted: 2006-10-17 19:25
Hello:
I've read this post and had to put in my two cents. Maverick, It's too bad what has happened but there will always be naysayers in this world. Keep up your good work!
Now, in attempt to show how good this hobby is let me relate my recent experience.
I just returned from Melbourne, Australia where I had the opportunity to go to Hammer Hall, the concert hall of the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra. Haven't been to a symphony for at least 50 years. Completely enjoyed the performance.
The next day after I got home I went into my music room and played several classical SACD's. I have to say, and I don't know how this will sound, but I thought what I heard in my room was better than what I heard at the concert hall. Better because I heard everything I heard in the concert hall but in addition I was in a more intimate setting. I was listening in stereo and felt I was surrounded by the orchestra. In the concert hall the orchestra was well in front of me.
Absolutely wonderful experience! I felt I was in the concert hall and invisioned the violinists energertic movements, the timpani's resounding boom, the clarinets sweet voices. Fantastic!!
So to those who want to poohpooh us I say "that's their loss!"
Regards,
Richard
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-17 20:22
Guys_The truth be told I was a skeptic, not a non believer just highly skeptical, with regard to Resonance Tuning at first. Now I can't imagine not RT'ing a component, and that includes line conditioners. It sure worked with the ones I have. A few weeks ago I proved that RT works by, unbeknownst to the listener, simply replacing the BDR cones under the 555ES' DIY platform with a set of IsolPads. The listener asked if something had happened to my system.
Some people's comfort levels just don't deal with change well. The objectionists also many times just simply want to be right so badly they'll condemn anything that goes against what they've come to accept. That's their loss. With regard to our hobby, the sound they dream of having, or even believe they have, will always elude them. While OTOH we will actually be enjoying that sound. I also believe now that the home audio experience can transcend the live one. That it indeed can be more involving/satisfying and fullfilling. Lucky us._MMMike
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-17 20:29
On 2006-10-13 19:57, Maxxwire wrote:
MMMike- Will you be hooking up 2 pieces to Mav's 3.1 PCSE or dedicate it to being used solely with MMM?
~Maxx~
Maxx_I'll be running MMM and the 555ES with it. But you know me, I'll have to try it out with everything just to see what the effects are. I'm so jazzed, I can't wait for it to arrive. I'm like a little kid waiting for Santa's arrival. One thing is certain as well. Now I'm glad I held off on buying Matt Anker's SAPC-1 power cord with it's 5lb filter. I can kill two birds with one stone so to speak with the 3.1._MMMike
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-10-18 00:29
Maverick,
I echo the other members sentiments and share your disappointment.
I just read your letter, '"Lessons not passed on" over at P.A. and your post was heartfelt by me. I truly am sorry that your endeavor was, at least for now, shot down. Your letter was very well written and was on the same level as the posts I have had the pleasure of reading here on this forum.
Although there are many follow up posts to your letter at P.A. encouraging you to remain a member, I am glad that you have found a home at Agoraquest. As Maxx stated, we need you here!
Best regards,
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-18 05:13
Gaday friends,
Joe wrote:- Although there are many follow up posts to your letter at P.A. encouraging you to remain a member, I am glad that you have found a home at Agoraquest. As Maxx stated, we need you here!
Best regards,
Joe (aka BeastMaster.
Thank's Joe for your kind words, I havn't been back to P.A. to read the replys but Ian in person last night and now yourself have both told me the follow ups were mainly positive . Which is a good thing if it possibly opened a few minds and hearts to alternate thinking .
dahrich wrote:- Hello:
I've read this post and had to put in my two cents. Maverick, It's too bad what has happened but there will always be naysayers in this world. Keep up your good work!
Now, in attempt to show how good this hobby is let me relate my recent experience.
I just returned from Melbourne, Australia where I had the opportunity to go to Hammer Hall, the concert hall of the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra. Haven't been to a symphony for at least 50 years. Completely enjoyed the performance.
Thanks Richard for your support ,
also great to hear you enjoyed your trip to one of our countrys fine cities Melbourne .Two things Melbourne has always had going for it, is gourmet food restaurants and an abundance of musical entertainment.
Hope my fellow country men made you feel at home.
MyKy wrote:- Some people's comfort levels just don't deal with change well. The objectionists also many times just simply want to be right so badly they'll condemn anything that goes against what they've come to accept. That's their loss. With regard to our hobby, the sound they dream of having, or even believe they have, will always elude them. While OTOH we will actually be enjoying that sound. I also believe now that the home audio experience can transcend the live one. That it indeed can be more involving/satisfying and fullfilling. Lucky us._MMMike
"Lucky us".Absoultely my friend,hopefully where the majority and where influencing the new generations comming up ,to always be open minded and enjoy thinking outside the box..."what if ".....
..While I think of it',(off topic) on our morning news last week our gadget guy segment had a new Flat , thin T.V same size as plasma,s only it was called a laser T.V and I think from memory he said it was invented in Aussie land and it was going to rock the display screen world being half the cost of plasma and a million true colours avaliable compared to plasmas thousands(looked super impressive).Has anyone else heard anything?
Maxx and Joe, I'll always be here with my friends at at the brotherhood and sisterhood of "agoraquest" (better be politically correct). It feels like I've come home, but I really never left just a short Holliday so to speak.
Cheers your mate from downunder
MaveRick
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-18 15:07
Maverick- True pioneers in Audio technology have always been scoffed at by the objectivists of their day because their imagination has inspired them to create applications that far exceed the ability of the traditional science of the day to measure and evaluate.
You your work in further expanding the knowledge of Audio technology is a credit to the long tradition of Australians who have made so many wonderful and significant contributions that the rest of the Audio world has benifitted so richly from. You are certainly a credit to your kind, my friend!
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-19 23:52
Everyone_IT'S HERE!!!!!!!! I don't have time to go into today as I have to go to work and I spent too much time testing and enjoying the 3.1. It got here at noon and I've spent every minute since with it. Does it work? OH YEAH!! DOES IT EVER!!!!! I'll go into detail tomorrow as I have ALOT to tell. BTW that's not just my opinion either as I was fortunate enough to have a friend here to help evaluate it. Back to you soon with a detailed review._MMMike
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-10-20 00:05
Mike,
How dare you go off to work and leave us hanging. 
We look forward to your complete review on the Mav's 3.1 P.C.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-20 14:13
MMMike- We are all eagerly awaiting your comprehensive review of the world's one and only Mav's 3.1 PC Special 120v Edition!
I am looking forward to hearing about how your Mav's 3.1 PC #001 sounds during each phase of what will hopfully be a relatively brief break in period.
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-20 15:46
I want to start off by saying I was fortunate enough to have my friend Corey over when the 3.1 arrived. In fact he had been helping me position my speakers. Which was a godsend as those granite bases are a bit heavy and Corey also has an excellent ear. My conclusions on the 3.1 were supported by Corey.
When it arrived I was anxious to open it. The pics don't do it justice. We were both amazed that this is a handmade unit. It's looks and it's fit/finish are as good as one could possibly expect from a high quality commercially produced unit. Honestly. We were both amazed and I had to assure Corey that it wasn't commercially made. (GREAT JOB RICK!!!! I love the connectors too. They look much cooler than the typical black or clear units.) We started off by just simply plugging it into the outlet and then into MMM and the 555ES. Now MMM had been hooked up to my VansEvers Super Companion II which was in turn plugged into one of my Powervar ABC-1000s. (For the record my line filtering conditioning consists of (2) Powervar 1000s, the VansEvers, (3) Blue Circle BC86 MKIII line filters, and more snap on ferrite filters than I can count.) Well I loaded the 555ES with five of my reference RBCDs and gave it a listen. I was really shocked. The sound was smoother than it had ever been will still retaining dynamics and that "live" sound. I have had it that smooth but at the cost of a loss of dynamics and a sense of aliveness. Then I realised that the background was quieter too. Quieter than it had ever been. We did direct A/B testing against the Powervars and the SC II and the 3.1 is superior to them all. Even superior to the SC II and Powervar combo. This is really shocking to me as I could probably place twelve 3.1s inside one of the Powervars. There has been a touch of harshness and a hint of electronicness to the sound of the sytem that I had finally attributed to the 555ES itself. I was wrong. I should add that we tried it with the TAE/TAN combo as well. The results were outstanding. It does do a better job with MMM though. After much experimentation we settled on the 3.1 plugged into one of the Powervars with has a Cadence sub plugged into it. The 3.1 when plugged into the Powervar actually helped remove the last bit of noise from the sub. Not my imagination Corey heard it too. Well in this configuration we sat back and listened. Corey's remark was "Wow. That's scary". Many may disagree with me here but I know it's true. One of my reference CDs is a poor quality CD that was burned for me. I use it as measure against great recordings. I heard and read many times that no system can make a bad recording sound good. Wrong. It doesn't sound great, but it does sound good now. But in all fairness everything sounds better too. Aside from the harshness the sound issue we ran into while placing the speakers was the sound in the center of the soundstage. It sounded just a tad dull and had a wee bit less 3-dimensionality to it as compared to the sounds at the outside of the soundstage. We spent many hours over two days placing the speakers and were not able to get the great overall sound without this. I felt it was due to room acoustics. But the overall sound is awesome. The speakers have truly disappeared. With the 3.1 /P-Var combo the weakness in the middle soundstage disappeared. I've read in several places about the sensitivity of digital amps to interference. Every review on NuForce's amps for example remark about it.( Even though NuForce says they don't make digital amps. Whatever.) Well the longer it goes the more I'm proven that it's true. But back to the sound. The overall sound is smoother yet more "alive" and lively and it's warmer. The depth of the soundstage in the middle has actually deepened. Imaging is even more precise and has greater clarity. Vocals have better liquidity and sound more natural. Bass response is tighter cleaner and more defined. It's also stronger. So much so that it's almost enough, but not quite, to make me want to forgoe bi-amping. It will make me reconsider my MCH amp options in that regard though. Some of the improvements are subtle, some are significant. In all it's just alot better. And I mean alot better.
So we put in some of Corey's favorite CDs and sat back. Well the sound didn't have us just tapping our feet but we were "moving and grooving". It was great!!! Corey remarked on how it sounded like we really there. It really did. Then on one recording something happened that had me stop the music. When I've said in the past that I've heard things that I've never heard before what I really meant is that I heard things better than I'd heard before. I could hear something more clearly and became more aware of it. Now I could tell what it was where as before it was in distinct. Well this time I heard something I'd NEVER heard before. At first I thought it was a sound from outside then I realised it was in the music. So I stopped and replayed it and sure enough it's in the music.
After awhile I loaded it with five of my fav MCH SACDs. This was a true sonic revelation and it gave me goosebumps. The hair on the back of my neck stood up as the sound was so real. Truly incredible. We were smiling and high five'ing each other. That's how good it's become. Between proper speaker positioning and more effective line/power conditioning the sound is amazing. Also I later tested some DVDs and the picture from the 555ES has improved as well.
Mav has made a very special product. An awesome example of what an individual is capable of. I'm very glad to have such a fine and special product. Maverick, my many thanks and congratulations. Well done my friend. Very well done indeed._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-20 16:38
On 2006-10-20 15:46, mykyll2727 wrote: Well this time I heard something I'd NEVER heard before. At first I thought it was a sound from outside then I realised it was in the music. So I stopped and replayed it and sure enough it's in the music. _MMMike
Thanks for such a comprehensive review of Mav's 3.1 PC MMMike! To review this PC in your system which already has a variety of excellent line conditioning from some of the top commercial manufacturers makes your conclusions about Mav's 3.1 PC all that much more relevant and easy to relate to.
I can definately relate to your statememt above because new gear that can invoke a genuine Auditory Hallucination always gets my approval!
All of the other various criteria are of course very important, but bringing a whole set of new sounds that have never heard before out of the Music really seals the deal on a new piece of equipment and it sounds like Mav's 3.1 PC is one of those rare pieces that has this ability.
I hope that you will continue to share any new Sonic Revelations about the astonishing performance of Mav's 3.1 PC with us!
~Maxx~ A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974! The quest for truly great Audio reproduction is one where a keen interest in knowledge and plenty of curiosity combined with vigorous application will take you further than mere riches ever could!
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-20 18:36
Gaday MMMike,
It's always satisfying on occation when my customers have been happy with my creativity(electrical work) in their homes but it's a lot lot more satisfying when my friends are too. It's Also pleasing that after hours of experimentation and love are put into an idea it's been rewarded with such fine gratitude.
Thankyou for the great review,youv'e put a smile on my dial again (it's been a while).
From your review the "Mav" definitley likes 120volts . Love to see a pic of it with your gear .
Will chat again soon expected at Manicmechanics (Ian)house for coffee .
Cheers from an excited Mave Rick
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-10-21 01:29
MMMike,
Thank you so much for taking the time to share with us such a detailed review of MaveRick's Mav's3.1 PC.
It sounds like you and your friend Corey had one of those rare but always wonderful audio epiphanies that we audio junkies crave.
Way to go Rick! An great endorsement from Mike goes a long way in my book.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-21 02:28
On 2006-10-20 18:36, maverick11359 wrote: After hours of experimentation and love are put into an idea it's been rewarded with such fine gratitude.
Now Mav's 3.1 PC has worked its Magic in both the southern and the northern hemispheres in both its 240v and 120v incarnations! Who knows where Mav's 3.1 PC will show up next as the word of its wonderworking power spreads!
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-21 04:28
Gaday Friends,
still can't stop smilling 24 hours after reading MMMike's detailed and complementary review , very similar and same conclusions that my friends and I have come to when the Mav' 3.1 is plugged into our systems.
I had Kel my neighbour over last Friday to listen to a comparison between the Prototype and Mav' (000.3).I believe the Mav' is now run in.I heard as like MMMike and ManicMechanic (when "Mav" is new)when first plugged in happily it always seems to be a significant Audible improvement , but i found after another week of running in if possible it only gets sweeter with more detail , tonal timbre and seperation improvement between instruments ( closer to the seperation that i've heard with some tube amps in the past ).
In construction the differences are only slight between Proto' and Mav', mainly in the plugs i used and there are no sockets on Mav's conditioner enclosure it's hard wired.Also the filtering devices in Mav wont be as prone to resonnance,vibration as in Proto(can't give to many inner secrets away sorry).
The plugs on the Mav's are Oyaide C-079 & P-079(gold plated )details:-http://www.revolutionpower.com/servlet/the-95/Oyaide-P-dsh-079-Direct-Gold/Detail and my originals on the proto are Oyaide C-037 (silver & Rhodium plated) IEC and standard Aussie Heavyduty nickel plated 10amp wall power plugs. See both IEC plug models here http://www.vhaudio.com/oyaideconnectors.html .
Like MMMike we listened to 4 RBCD's and Patrica Barber's SACD last swapping IEC plugs only(leaving Mav and Proto plugged into the wall permantley for speed in comparison) .Our conclusions were that MAV has a slightly deeper bass responce it extends the lower freq. more than the proto , both are very tight in lower and mid bass responce with no distortion.The mid, upper mid and higher freq are slightly silkier on Mav than Proto which makes on Pat's SACD female voice very very life like and her SSSSS (plosion)perfect,just a little harsher on proto.
Possibly the Gold plated IEC plugs on Mav help the upper freq range and the lack of resonnance effect helps extend the lower freq responce.
If it is the plugs Kel and I could hear , also Manicmechanic heard last week when .0003 was running in on my system(Ian and I also did a quick comparison)which i think it is ...skeptics beware....IEC plugs can make an audible difference as well .
The only way for me to tell is to change the C-037 on proto to C-079's and A/B test again .
Isn't life grand!
cheers Mave Rick
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2006-10-21 22:18
Wow Rick. Sounds like you are really on to a formula with your conditioner. The secret to successful sales I think is to get through the people that say no as quickly as possible. That way you get to a customer that is really pleased like Mike more frequently. No just means who's next?
rb
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
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Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-10-21 23:12
For the record guys_Believe me when I say I did not go over the top with my review. If anything it's a bit understated as I didn't want my excitement and enthusiasm to color my review. Also I didn't want the fact that he's a friend to influence it. The truth is the 3.1 is awesome!! I know Mav has said it gets better with burn-in but I honestly have my doubts as I find it hard to imagine it doing better. It's impact is quite startling. (Mav_thanks for the link to the connectors. Pricey stuff!!! Seeing and reading about their three options for my system I feel you definitely made the right choice.) Between it's insertion and new speaker placement my sound is so good I truly feel confident comparing it to the sound of any fine system now. Mine may not be as good but it sure won't embarass itself either. Of that I'm certain. Corey made a statement while we listening to some of the RBCDs in 2ch that he never knew stereo could sound like that. That it could be that clear, enveloping, and satisfying. Honestly neither did I. But it's on SACD that it really shines. One of my favs is Brubeck's Time Out. I am truly transported there now. I'm right there with the guys. A wonderful experience. I'm pressed for time but as soon as I get a chance I'll tell you about the influence this experience has had on Corey. _MMMike
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Maxxwire
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Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-22 01:49
On 2006-10-21 23:12, mykyll2727 wrote: Between it's insertion and new speaker placement my sound is so good I truly feel confident comparing it to the sound of any fine system now. Mine may not be as good but it sure won't embarass itself either._MMMike
MMMike- You ought to go out and Audition some of the fine Audio systems there in Las Vegas I think that you will be shocked at just how good the MMM Choir sounds in comparison!
As I posted a while back I went over to the local McIntosh dealer and I sat myself down between two $7,500 1200w McIntosh Monoblocks running a $20,000 pair of McIntosh
Reference speakers in their $50,000 Reference system that was being run on Shunyata Hydra Line Conditioning w/$1,000ea Cardas power cords and I was amazed at the lack of attention to detail the system had considering it had a $9,000 Tube Preamp.
There was plenty of power to drive the system but it was a long, long way from being anything close to Musical.
If you do go out on some auditions the best part will be getting home and listening to MMM again because she will sound so much better by comparison to the Hi End fare you heard earlier!
~Maxx~
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Maxxwire
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-22 14:12
I found some interesting things that Doug Blackburn said in one of his Soundstage articles about how the power supplies in Audio equipment draw power and I think it reveals some interesting insight into at least some of the principals behind why Mav's 3.1 PC does such a brilliant job of Line Conditioning...
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One of the under-appreciated and under-reported factors is current. Amplifiers need power to operate. Power is volts x amps (current). We hear a lot about voltage and equipment performance but not much about current and equipment performance.
Components do not make steady demands on current. Equipment uses current in pulses that are measurable. This happens because current is drawn by components only when the voltage of the AC power is higher than the voltage in the component's power supply filter capacitors. {This is an intentionally simplified statement, tube amps can have 200+ volt power supplies and they still draw current even though line voltage peaks are under 180V. But most power supplies are 75 volts or less.}
Source components with relatively low voltage power supplies (usually 25 volts or less) will tend to have broader current pulses with lower peaks.
Larger components with higher voltage power supplies, like amplifiers, will have current pulses that are shorter in duration, and higher in magnitude (amps).
This is because amplifiers have to get all their power during the small portion of the AC waveform that is higher in voltage than the power supply in the amplifier. The current pulses vary in frequency and peak depending on the frequencies and volume level of the music being played.
These current demands may well be the reason that it is not too unusual for mid-priced PLCs ($300 - $600) to sound like they are limiting amplifier performance instead of making them sound better. **********************
Meeting these current demands must also be the reason that Mav's 3.1 PC rises above the current limiting performance of the mid-priced PLC's and excells at delivering the full measure of clean current on demand!
~Maxx~
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-10-22 23:01
Maxx,
Thanks for posting the snippet from Doug Blackburn article. After reading your post I have a better understanding of why rb (Rick) was suggesting me to run "The Beast" without using my Panamax P.C.
It also provides a good explanation why MaveRick's Mav's 3.1 P.C. has been such a hit for everyone who has heard it's properties.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-10-23 00:46
Maxx wrote/Doug Blackburn's article :-This is because amplifiers have to get all their power during the small portion of the AC waveform that is higher in voltage than the power supply in the amplifier. The current pulses vary in frequency and peak depending on the frequencies and volume level of the music being played.
These current demands may well be the reason that it is not too unusual for mid-priced PLCs ($300 - $600) to sound like they are limiting amplifier performance instead of making them sound better. **********************
Thanks Maxx,
Great explanation , that's the differences I heard when I was experimenting with different filtering devices.
Some filters subdued the overall sound the up market ones i finished with in Mav' cleaned distortion but brought the sound stage alive.
I experimented further with the IEC plugs and "I could hear a difference" from the C-079(Gold Plated) to the C-037.The C-037 Rhodium plated IEC transfered to the Mav 3.1 increased it's uppermid and highs and backed of the mid to lower mids slightly as they explained exactly on the VH Audio site. So even plugs have a sonic signature, I wonder how my friends at P/A.com.au would react.I don't bags telling them!
cheers Maverick 
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-10-23 01:55
On 2006-10-23 00:46, maverick11359 wrote: Some filters subdued the overall sound the up market ones i finished with in Mav' cleaned distortion but brought the sound stage alive.
When I switched to a non limiting Line Conditioner for my Tube Power Amp which draws 140w at idle the first thing I noticed was that all 4 of the indicator lights on the output Tube's bias adjustment circuits were glowing bright red due to the drastically increased amount of power getting to the Amp!
I never dreamed this much more power would be reaching the Amp's power supply when it was simply at rest just from switching to a non limiting Line Conditioner.
After a warm up period I rebiased the output Tubes with an unprecidented decrease of 1/4 turn on the bias adjustment pot and gave it a listen.
I'm right along with you Rick when you describe how the soundstage comes alive!
Not only were the macrodynamics so greatly enhanced that the sonic images sprung to life in a most authentic and engaging way but even the most ephemeral microdynamics were also enlivened in a very spontaneous and energetic manner!
I could hardly beleive that the wonderfull improvements in the full scale of dynamics that I was hearing was generated by simply giving the Power Amp access to all of the clean current it needed.
~Maxx~
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manicmechanic
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 35
From: coffs harbour , australia
| Posted: 2006-11-02 02:10
Hey MMMikey, we haven't heard your final conclusions on the MAV 3.1 PC.Now you have had it for 2 weeks it must be fully run in.I'm dying to hear what you think.
regards IAN
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-11-02 23:48
MMMike,
Thanks for the thorough follow up on Mav's 3.1 PC. I think all of us who are following this thread were hoping that Rick's power conditioner would have the success your hearing.
I love it that you have resonance tuned the 3.1. I know in my case using a set Vibrapods on my Panamax conditioner made a difference.
Any chance of seeing those pictures Rick shared with you?
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-11-03 04:29
Myky112727 wrote:- When I settle on an amp and get it I'll have Mav make me another 3.1. I can't imagine my system complete without all vital components connected to a 3.1. I've really found it to be that good. In fact I told my wife this morning that in all honesty I feel it's the single greatest improvement to my system that I've made since I got MMM.
Mav, an outstanding achievement my friend. I couldn't be happier with it. Thanks for everything including the pics (Ian, I see you ). That was very special. Your friend_MMMike.
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MMMike,
Only If everyone (mainly talking about some of my fellow Aussies) was as open minded and willing to take a chance as youself my friend.When I started this little project a few months back it was only due to yourself and others here at Agora saying give it a go.
As I stated a few months back lets talk power conditioners and boy have we ever.Over the last few months I've gained the practical experience(hands on experimenting) and thanks to Doug Blackburn theory's via Maxx's posts I now have the theoretical knowlegde... or simplified
" How , Why and what if "
Once again great to hear the Mav was so successful for you .
MMMike I still have Mav 3.1 SN. .0003 in bubble wraped so as not to get marked ,It's run in and would only need plug and Thermal CB changed to 120volt rating. But if the time comes and it's gone or i've been using it I will happily make you another brand new Mav3.1 .
I've been using Proto(type) with some fine tunning in my system lately but you made me think about resonnance tunning it now!
"What if"
cheers Maverick.
P.S Joe wanted to see a pic MMMike I don't mind the decision is yours. I wouldn't mind seeing a pic of your set up with the Mav in it though.
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-03 19:44
Maverick- I have had full confidence in you from the very beginning. One of the reasons for this was that my entire Reference electrical delivery system was Hand Made by yet another fellow who had a few good ideas of his own just like you did!
A while back I listened to a $50,000 McIntosh Reference Stereo system with their $20,000 Reference speakers being run by their $9,000 Tube Preamp and their $15,000 1200w Monoblocks both of which were dressed with $1,000 Cardas Golden Cross Analog interconnects and everything being powered by $6,500 worth of Shunyata Hydra Line Conditioning and power cords.
By comparison my Hand Made Reference grade electrical delivery system cost just slightly more than one of the power cords they were using at $1,500.
I know very well what difference my Line Conditioning makes and it is definately a large part of the ultra detailed, authentic and extremely lifelike delivery of my Audio system compared to the lack of detail and lifelessness that the $6,500 Shunyata Hydra system brought to the McIntosh's presentation.
I have had very expensive Line Conditioners in my Audio system and none of them were even in the same league with my Hand Made Line Conditioners.
How could $1,500 worth of Line Conditioning with no super expensive and exotic parts deliver so much more high quality performance than the $6,500 cost is no object Line Conditioning?
I have come to the conclusion over the last 6 years that I have been using line conditioning that the parts that go into Line Conditioners are only fractionally as important as the true Genius that went into the design and creation of the equipment and the Line Conditioner with the better design will always deliver a far superior performance because the Line Conditioners with the most expensive and exotic parts count have dissapointed me again and again!
Thanks for the Mav's 3.1 PC! You are now counted among the group of great Aussie Audio equipment designers whose Genius has given the rest of the world yet another superior product.
~Maxx~
A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
The quest for truly great Audio reproduction is one where a keen interest in knowledge and plenty of curiosity combined with vigorous application will take you further than mere riches ever could!
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-05 00:07
I would gladly forward the pics if I still had them. I didn't save them as memory is at such a premium on this hunk of junk computer of mine.
Mav_ can you send them to Joe?_MMMike
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-11-05 00:35
Maverick,
If you still have the pics and are interested in sharing them send me a message to my inbox here at Agoraquest and I will give you my email address to send them to. I will then host them and post them for all to see.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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manicmechanic
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 35
From: coffs harbour , australia
| Posted: 2006-11-05 01:41
hey maverick i dont mind if you post our pic's on this site , but like you said before we would like to see a pic of MMMike's gear with the mav installed. regards Ian
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manicmechanic
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 35
From: coffs harbour , australia
| Posted: 2006-11-05 01:49
guys one thing i must say is that Maverick lent me his Lavok big snakes to try and what an improvement i've never heard my Mordaunt Short speakers sound so good . Patricia Barber's piano has never sounded so real , and on Pink Floyd's money it's interesting to hear the gravelness in his voice and also the accent of the Londoner, its just so real Regards Ian
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-11-05 01:55
Gaday Manicmechanic,
I just messaged Joe to send them to him I,m having problems with downloading Pics to Agora.You now the hassles I'm having with my dam computer lately.
I'll try harder but will see!
cheers MaveRick.
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-11-05 02:51
Gaday friends,
Well Joe you asked for it !
I managed to download a Pic of three Audio enthusiasts and one who would love to be one from here in Aussie land. Taken at my Daughters 21st Birthday Bash last May.
From left to right'
Ian (AKA "Manicmechanic" tall lad 6'4"with the glass in his hand),Nephew Mitch's face, Kel (nextdoor neighbour with the Audio stereo room and HT room),Yours truly Rick (AKA "Maverick" Silver top "hair that is")and last on far right the Brotherinlaw Greg.
....... Ian,Mitch,Kel,Rick,Greg.........
Hope we don't crack your moniters.
Cheers From Down Under Maverick
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-05 15:45
Maverick- Why do I get the feeling that this Picture you posted is also hanging up somewhere with a note saying "The Usual Suspects" under it?
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-11-05 16:36
Posted: 2006-11-05 15:45
Maverick- Why do I get the feeling that this Picture you posted is also hanging up somewhere with a note saying "The Usual Suspects" under it?
~Maxx~
Maxx,
I Don't know what you mean ! where only wanted in 3 States for playing loud music , shattering a dozen window panes and causing suburban power grey outs.The Brotherinlaw is the only public servant in the group ! he's the one the general public really wants to get a hold of "not us honest crooks"! 
cheers Maverick 
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2006-11-06 00:02
Rick,
Thank you so much for posting the picture. It is great to put a face to the name. It makes it that much more personal. Don't worry about the silver hair, mine, what's left of it, has gone straight to gray.
Again, thanks for sharing with us. It's a good looking group.
Joe (aka BeastMaster)
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-06 02:54
Maverick- After reading your description I now realize that you fellows could more accurately be described as "The Unusual Suspects".
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-09 13:16
I posted this in another thread here, but I felt I should post it here as well.
I've read that one should not mix analog and digital components on the same duplex of PLCs. I never tested the theory as it made sense to me so I've always followed that principle. I've even gone so far as to connect all analog and all digital equipment to seperate PLCs as that just seemed like the next logical step to me.
Well I've tried the 3.1 with MMM and my DVP-NC555ES and with the TAE/TAN combo with great results in both instances. The greatest improvements IMO had been to the digital units. Well the other night I tried the 3.1 with MMM and the TAN just out of curiousity. There was no decrease in MMM's performance that I could determine. But the TAN sounded better than ever. Better than with it connected to the 3.1 and the TAE. So at least in my system it seems that the 3.1 has the greatest effect on power amps/receivers. The 3.1/MMM/TAN combo sounds so good that if all I listened to was 2ch I'd probably be satisfied. But since I don't another MCH amp is in my future. When I do get one another 3.1 will be in order. Then I'll be able to test whether it matters or not which components are connected to a PLC. And if so whether it's the type of components or the type of amplification that matters most._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-09 15:36
On 2006-11-09 13:16, mykyll2727 wrote: I've read that one should not mix analog and digital components on the same duplex of PLCs. I never tested the theory as it made sense to me so I've always followed that principle. I've even gone so far as to connect all analog and all digital equipment to seperate PLCs as that just seemed like the next logical step to me.
Very good thinking MMMike! Because AC Power is a 2 way street and Digital equipment kicks hash back into the AC supply unless it is filtered out.
Back in 2003 I started using dedicated Analog and Digital PLC's and much to my suprise I discovered that my Digital equipment still required redundant dual directional and broadband RFI filtering in order to sound its best and to keep the Digital hash it created from cross contaminating the other Digital equipment using the same PLC.
Some PLC manufacturers build filters into each duplex to prevent this kind of cross contamination, but unfortunately my Digital PLC was not built with this feature so I had to resort to provide filtering each piece of Digital equipment individually.
I've thuroughly tested the difference in between my Digital Processing when it was using its redundant RFI filtering and straight unfiltered and in my opinion the difference in sound quality is quite noticable and it was well worth the effort to provide the proper filtering to all 3 processors.
That said I don't think that the difference would be so evident a lot of Audio systems. For example the other day I auditioned the $4,000 Mark Levinson No.37 Transport which was interfaced using Illuminations D-60 Reference Digital Coax to a $3,000 Theta Pro Bacic||| DAC connected to Dan Wright's SWL 9.0SE Tube Preamp (the SE sports all Polyropolyne capped power supply and Teflon caps in the signal path!) and using $1,000 Jena Labs Analog IC to connect it with the DAC and the John Curl designed Parasound Halo Amplification running a $5,000 pair of B&W 803 speakers.
While this system sounded better than the $50,000 McIntosh Reference system I heard which included the $2,500 Shunyata Hydra PLC and 4 of their $1,000 power cords and even though it is made up of some legendary and very expensive equipment and wiring and set up on a nice equipment rack in an acoustcally tuned room by a nationally renown Golden Ear Audiophile in my estimation this is a good example of an Audio system that just doesn't have the resolution and transparency to manifest the sonic differences that I noticed between totally dual directional broadband filtered and unfiltered Digital equipment.
It is left up to the individual to decide how much attention should be paid to this level of detail in his own Audio system.
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-09 16:42
On 2006-11-09 15:36, Maxxwire wrote:
On 2006-11-09 13:16, mykyll2727 wrote: I've read that one should not mix analog and digital components on the same duplex of PLCs. I never tested the theory as it made sense to me so I've always followed that principle. I've even gone so far as to connect all analog and all digital equipment to seperate PLCs as that just seemed like the next logical step to me.
Very good thinking MMMike! Because AC Power is a 2 way street and Digital equipment kicks hash back into the AC supply unless it is filtered out.
Back in 2003 I started using dedicated Analog and Digital PLC's and much to my suprise I discovered that my Digital equipment still required redundant dual directional and broadband RFI filtering in order to sound its best and to keep the Digital hash it created from cross contaminating the other Digital equipment using the same PLC.
Some PLC manufacturers build filters into each duplex to prevent this kind of cross contamination, but unfortunately my Digital PLC was not built with this feature so I had to resort to provide filtering each piece of Digital equipment individually.
I've thuroughly tested the difference in between my Digital Processing when it was using its redundant RFI filtering and straight unfiltered and in my opinion the difference in sound quality is quite noticable and it was well worth the effort to provide the proper filtering to all 3 processors.
That said I don't think that the difference would be so evident a lot of Audio systems. For example the other day I auditioned the $4,000 Mark Levinson No.37 Transport which was interfaced using Illuminations D-60 Reference Digital Coax to a $3,000 Theta Pro Bacic||| DAC connected to Dan Wright's SWL 9.0SE Tube Preamp (the SE sports all Polyropolyne capped power supply and Teflon caps in the signal path!) and using $1,000 Jena Labs Analog IC to connect it with the DAC and the John Curl designed Parasound Halo Amplification running a $5,000 pair of B&W 803 speakers.
While this system sounded better than the $50,000 McIntosh Reference system I heard which included the $2,500 Shunyata Hydra PLC and 4 of their $1,000 power cords and even though it is made up of some legendary and very expensive equipment and wiring and set up on a nice equipment rack in an acoustcally tuned room by a nationally renown Golden Ear Audiophile in my estimation this is a good example of an Audio system that just doesn't have the resolution and transparency to manifest the sonic differences that I noticed between totally dual directional broadband filtered and unfiltered Digital equipment.
It is left up to the individual to decide how much attention should be paid to this level of detail in his own Audio system.
~Maxx~
Maxx_I suspect the problem is compounded when using digital amps. I think that's why so much filtering seems to be necessary with MMM's system. Not only do I have MMM and the 555ES but there's the digital cable box, a RCD, DVR, not to mention digital amp subs. What surprised me is that with a dig amp and an analog amp hooked up to the same 3.1 that the system sounds it's best so far. I feel it really says something about the 3.1 as well as what clean power to any amp does. It'll be interesting to see what a second 3.1 brings. _MMMike
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Maxxwire
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Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-09 19:04
On 2006-11-09 16:42, mykyll2727 wrote: What surprised me is that with a dig amp and an analog amp hooked up to the same 3.1 that the system sounds it's best so far. I feel it really says something about the 3.1 as well as what clean power to any amp does. It'll be interesting to see what a second 3.1 brings.
I know what you mean. The TAN must like the power that the 3.1 is giving it that it wasn't getting elsewhere.
I say this because when I switched line conditioners on my Analog Power Amp recently it delivered so much more current to the power supply of the Amp that all of the bias indicator lights came on at the same time and glowed bright red and that was back when it had the stock lamp cord with a molded plug on it! Power Amps sure do like to be hooked up to good PLC's.
An additional 3.1 will allow you to tell a lot more about how your Analog and Digital equipment is getting along because you will be able to have them all conditioned and still be able to seperate them which will for the first time give you something to compare objectively.
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-11 17:44
On 2006-11-05 01:41, manicmechanic wrote:
hey maverick i dont mind if you post our pic's on this site , but like you said before we would like to see a pic of MMMike's gear with the mav installed. regards Ian
I will do that eventually. After I get MMM's system complete my next mission will be a MUCH needed computer upgrade. Then a dig camera and we'll be off. Anyway I'd love for every one to see my girl. I'm quite proud of her._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-12 00:10
MMMike- Its good to know that your priorities are firmly in tact and you are putting the things you value the most first!
Someday when I finish building my own Audio system I hope to upgrade from the 6 year old 167 Mhz Webtv and the 7 year old 2 Megapixel Digital camera that was given to me because I simply refused to buy one, but then I've been hoping to do that for some quite some time!
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-14 20:36
Maxx_I try to stay focused because it's so easy for me to get sidetracked. Then my resources get scattered and nothing receives the quite the proper attention it needs.
AFA MMM's system goes I'm going to do some serious investigating into having her modded. If I feel the improvements are worth it all I'll go for it. At that time then I'll reassess my MCH amp needs and desires. After modding I may not feel the need to bi-amp or if I do it may cause me to seek something different from an additional amp than I do now. In the end the fact that the 20 amp IEC on the CineNova blew it out of the running may prove to be a blessing._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-15 16:09
MMMike- What Mods are you thinking about having done to MMM?
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
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Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-15 17:41
Maxx_I've emailed Chris Johnson on designing a mod for MMM. One of the things I'm most interested in is improving her bass response. Alot depends on what Chris says._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-17 15:16
All I know is that every time increasing Bass Proficiency is mentioned my Tech always has exactly the same reply...Power Supply Mod!
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
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Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-18 21:48
Maxx_It could well be. I won't know for sure until Chris has MMM in hand and reports back to me on his intended mods._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-19 03:06
All I know is that an experienced Modman has the knowledge and experience to almost completely rebuild any piece of Audio equipment from the ground up if you let them which is great, but the bill can easily exceed twice the cost of the piece...
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-19 17:34
Cost is definitely something I've been running around in my head. Chris said he couldn't give me a quote until he has her in hand. He did indicate to rb though that modding a 7100 would cost about the same as his Denon mods which is around $1400 retrofitted. Hopefully what he'd want to do to MMM won't be far out of line from that. Only time will tell though. I won't be sending her off until next year anyway as I have other things to take care of first._MMMike
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-19 17:39
Maverick_I was wondering what did you use for the actual cables/cords on the 3.1? Is it handmade by you or aftermarket? Sure has one heck of a high quality look and feel to it._MMMike
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-11-19 18:47
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On 2006-11-19 17:39, mykyll2727 wrote:
Maverick_I was wondering what did you use for the actual cables/cords on the 3.1? Is it handmade by you or aftermarket? Sure has one heck of a high quality look and feel to it._MMMike
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Gaday MMMike .I wasn't going to give away the mav's secrets but what the hek!
All the internal connections in the P.C are soldered with the higher quality silver solder i got from Italy for building the crossovers.
I came up with away to minimise the amount of connections internally to keep the signal path as clean as possible (No clamped screwed terminals internally in the P.C).
My belief is to have an oversized conductor for ease of current transfer(no choking or heating effect), multistranded for flexability and a good qualtiy clean copper(which came from our copper mines here in OZ) .
There you have it!
I don't believe you need expensive silver or extremely overpriced highend 120volt/240volt interconnect cables on our power supplies just Hospital grade will do and between the three of us that have the mav's i think we know it.
Cheers Mav'
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-11-19 19:10
Mav_I wasn't trying to get you give away any secrets my friend. I was just curious if it was your design. The reason is that the 3.1 is such a well made and finished product. I have some custom/handmade cables and cords and they just don't have quite the quality fit and feel of the 3.1. The more I study it the more impressed I am with it. I can't tell you how impressed I am that you made this by hand. It looks and performs like it was made by some top notch and very expensive machinery. Outstanding job!!! You have some extraordinary skills my friend. I will be having you make me up another one here in the near future. I'll contct you personally on it._MMMike
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2006-11-20 03:06
On 2006-11-19 19:10, mykyll2727 wrote: Mav_I wasn't trying to get you give away any secrets my friend._MMMike
If Maverick were Magician and the Mav's 3.1 PC was his Magic Trick I think all he has revealed to us is that he uses a hat and a wand in the performance of the Magic.
The True Magic of Mav's 3.1 PC still remains secret.
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wallew
Sonyphile
Joined: Jun 30, 2005
Posts: 583
From: Denver, Co
 | Posted: 2006-12-01 20:56
Mav,
I can't believe I missed this thread from the begining. I've at least read it through twice.
Don't let the 'vultures' get you down. Besides, everybody knows the old saw about opinions and they are like *#+ , everybody's got one, they're all different, and they all stink. And most people couldn't find theirs with a flash light, a mirror and written directions. So don't worry.
First, hopefully you have applied for patents. IF NOT, do so immediately. You don't want someone to steal your design and then patent it. Industrial espionage is rampant these days. And it sound like what maxx said is true. All we know is you use a hat, a wand and some kind of 'mumbo jumbo'.
Second, I love what you've done. I wish I could afford to bring you over here when I'm ready to do my HT downstairs. But I KNOW you ain't cheap. Then there's the time lost from your real job...
Darn it.
Keep it up. If there's anything I can do to help from the wrong side of the world, let me know.
jim
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-02 04:04
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-02 07:14
On 2006-12-02 04:04, maverick11359 wrote:
On 2006-12-01 20:56, wallew wrote:
Mav,
I can't believe I missed this thread from the begining. I've at least read it through twice.
Don't let the 'vultures' get you down. Besides, everybody knows the old saw about opinions and they are like *#+ , everybody's got one, they're all different, and they all stink. And most people couldn't find theirs with a flash light, a mirror and written directions. So don't worry.
First, hopefully you have applied for patents. IF NOT, do so immediately. You don't want someone to steal your design and then patent it. Industrial espionage is rampant these days. And it sound like what maxx said is true. All we know is you use a hat, a wand and some kind of 'mumbo jumbo'.
Second, I love what you've done. I wish I could afford to bring you over here when I'm ready to do my HT downstairs. But I KNOW you ain't cheap. Then there's the time lost from your real job...
Darn it.
Keep it up. If there's anything I can do to help from the wrong side of the world, let me know.
jim
Gaday Jim,
Thankyou for the kind words of encouragement and the compliment.
I did do a little research at the time into Patents,could not believe the cost a patent was between $35 to $40 thousand AUD but the figures were confirmed for me by a couple of reliable sources. On top of that in Australia we have a thing called S.A.A (Standards Association of Australia )serial number stamped and tested,approx $17 thousand to have the Mav tested and approved .In a perfect world it would be the smart move to do both but it would take an awful lot of Mav sales to cover that outlay .
Anyway who knows what the future holds , I'm here for the long run at agora ,so if I can help in some small way with some ideas in seting up your HT room in the future just give me a yell .
Cheers Maverick
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wallew
Sonyphile
Joined: Jun 30, 2005
Posts: 583
From: Denver, Co
| Posted: 2006-12-02 11:17
Mav,
Let me help you out here. In the USA, an attorney can file for a patent for you. Cost is approximately $1200 - $1500. That's not thousands, but less than two thousand.
And you don't need anything else. No other fees or taxes. You could even do it without your name being listed on the patent, but have it through your attornies office.
Nevada has LOTS of attornies that do this. Need the money to do this, contact me. I can help. I just want to see a superior product on the market.
Once you get a patent, then you go to a bank HERE in the USA (I know a couple of bankers) and they will loan you start up money. And this puppy would take the US audio market by storm. Especially if you could keep the costs low. You could literally put the rest of the guys out of business. OR better yet, license several of the better ones to produce 'THE MAVERICK' and you get a cut.
Though personally, I always liked the idea of keeping it all in house and you keep the profits yourself. And trust me. Over here, I can hire retired ladies to assemble your line conditioner. Older women have better dexterity than almost everyone.
How do I know this? Because my brother in law owned a company that rebuilt computer printer print heads. That's a one billion dollar a year industry. And ALL he used for assembly were women over the age of forty. They pumped those print heads out to beat the band. TOO BAD my BIL was such a lousy business man.
Anyway, if this tickles your fancy, send me an email with your phone number, a time frame to call you and I'll call and we can talk.
Like I said, if there's ANYTHING I can do to help you get this to the market place, LET ME KNOW.
best regards,
jim
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-12-04 21:28
Jim_I don't know anything about patents. I'm glad you were able to advise Mav on the subject as I would love to see him be able to put the 3.1 into production. It is an awesome product I assure you. One thing I do know, there sure are alot of lawyers here in town. A few years ago when I heard about the number of lawyers here (somewhere on TV) I did some quick math and came up with 1 lawyer to < every 300 people. That's alot more than we had doctors._Mykl
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-04 23:35
Gaday Jim,
I appologise for not getting back to you sooner !
This is Christmas month and I get extremelly busy with work.Thankyou for you advice and offer of help , I'll email you direct soon with my details and thoughts as soon as i get a chance .
cheers Maverick.
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-04 23:36
Gaday MMMike,
We have a similar ratio here in OZ not with lawyers but with public servants .
I was thinking of buying a DVD rental store back in June 2005 it didn't eventuate but my lawyers bill came in by post soon after for
1 hour consultation and 2 x 5 min phone calls $749.00.
The going rate in OZ for lawyers anything from $400 to $600 AUD per Hour.Patents lawyers are at the top end per hour.
Probably why patents cost so much here in OZ!
Cheers Maverick
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wallew
Sonyphile
Joined: Jun 30, 2005
Posts: 583
From: Denver, Co
| Posted: 2006-12-05 11:48
On 2006-12-04 21:28, mykyll2727 wrote:
Jim_I don't know anything about patents... One thing I do know, there sure are alot of lawyers here in town. A few years ago when I heard about the number of lawyers here (somewhere on TV) I did some quick math and came up with 1 lawyer to < every 300 people. That's alot more than we had doctors._Mykl
MMMike,
While attornies can cause you all sorts of legal problems and cost you money, at least they can't kill you like a bad doctor can. Think amputating the wrong leg or removing the wrong kidney or ...
You know the list.
Mav,
Drop me a line and I'll start working on things. But I didn't want to start without your go ahead. So let me know. I too would like to see this product to come to market. Nothing like making money, delivering a great product to market. And having a good time doing it.
Besides, IF we can get this puppy off the ground, it seems like a great excuse to visit the boss in OZ at some point. Which is a place I've always wanted to visit. While the wife wants to visit Hawaii, it's always been Oz for me. (But HONEY, Hawaii is on the way TO OZ!)
So let me know. No rush, just wanted this out there.
jim
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-12-05 13:39
Jim & Mav_ Jim, Maverick already knows Oz is one of my fav places in the world. If you get the chance by all means go.
If you guys get this off the ground as the first overseas owner of the 3.1 I'll have to go meet "the man" too. I'd also be interested in helping to distribute it if you go that way. The WIFE, yes the WIFE, already suggested it when I explained exactly what the 3.1 was and she heard it.
Mav, if I get over there we'll have to hit a few. Just take it easy on me. I'm going to be 53 real soon. But most of all I truly feel the 3.1 should be out there. It really works. I hope you guys are able to do it._Mykl
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-05 21:53
On 2006-12-05 13:39, mykyll2727 wrote:
Jim & Mav_ Jim, Maverick already knows Oz is one of my fav places in the world. If you get the chance by all means go.
If you guys get this off the ground as the first overseas owner of the 3.1 I'll have to go meet "the man" too. I'd also be interested in helping to distribute it if you go that way. The WIFE, yes the WIFE, already suggested it when I explained exactly what the 3.1 was and she heard it.
Mav, if I get over there we'll have to hit a few. Just take it easy on me. I'm going to be 53 real soon. But most of all I truly feel the 3.1 should be out there. It really works. I hope you guys are able to do it._Mykl
Gaday MMMike ,
You've got a date my friend .Give me a couple months notice to get fitt first( and get our local Tennis pro to give me some refresher lessons again).just Kidding!
Cheers Mav Rick
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-05 21:56
On 2006-12-05 11:48, wallew wrote:
On 2006-12-04 21:28, mykyll2727 wrote:
Jim_I don't know anything about patents... One thing I do know, there sure are alot of lawyers here in town. A few years ago when I heard about the number of lawyers here (somewhere on TV) I did some quick math and came up with 1 lawyer to < every 300 people. That's alot more than we had doctors._Mykl
MMMike,
While attornies can cause you all sorts of legal problems and cost you money, at least they can't kill you like a bad doctor can. Think amputating the wrong leg or removing the wrong kidney or ...
You know the list.
Mav,
Drop me a line and I'll start working on things. But I didn't want to start without your go ahead. So let me know. I too would like to see this product to come to market. Nothing like making money, delivering a great product to market. And having a good time doing it.
Besides, IF we can get this puppy off the ground, it seems like a great excuse to visit the boss in OZ at some point. Which is a place I've always wanted to visit. While the wife wants to visit Hawaii, it's always been Oz for me. (But HONEY, Hawaii is on the way TO OZ!)
So let me know. No rush, just wanted this out there.
jim
Gaday Jim,
I have just dropped you an email.
Hope to chat soon !
Cheers Mav Rick
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-12-07 10:55
Mav_If you'd be so kind, please look into what you would think would be a suitable substitute for one of the 15 amp IECs on the 3.1 with a US 20 amp version. I'd really appreciate it._Mykl
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wallew
Sonyphile
Joined: Jun 30, 2005
Posts: 583
From: Denver, Co
| Posted: 2006-12-07 19:18
I just got off the phone with Rick. What a pleasure it was to speak with him. Great guy. I will be pursuing three patent attorneys in the next day or so. Then more conversations with Rick. Granted, a patent will take a while. BUT, it is the first step of many to get Rick's power conditioner to the US market. And I told him if there were any place where this PC would do well it's here in the USA.
We don't have a problem with dropping good money for an excellent product. So the process begins. I will attempt (with Ricks permission of course) to keep everyone here informed.
Rick, I really enjoyed our conversation and look forward to many more.
jim
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-07 19:40
On 2006-12-07 10:55, mykyll2727 wrote:
Mav_If you'd be so kind, please look into what you would think would be a suitable substitute for one of the 15 amp IECs on the 3.1 with a US 20 amp version. I'd really appreciate it._Mykl
Gaday Mykl,
Interesting! I've havn't looked into different rated IECs before ,they all seem to be rated at 10amps for OZ and the same plug is rated at 15amps for the States.
Do you have a IEC Socket on a component rated at 20amps ?
I'll do a little research and get back to you.
cheers Mav Rick
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2006-12-07 19:52
On 2006-12-07 19:18, wallew wrote:
I just got off the phone with Rick. What a pleasure it was to speak with him. Great guy. I will be pursuing three patent attorneys in the next day or so. Then more conversations with Rick. Granted, a patent will take a while. BUT, it is the first step of many to get Rick's power conditioner to the US market. And I told him if there were any place where this PC would do well it's here in the USA.
We don't have a problem with dropping good money for an excellent product. So the process begins. I will attempt (with Ricks permission of course) to keep everyone here informed.
Rick, I really enjoyed our conversation and look forward to many more.
jim
Jim,
same from me, totally enjoyed our chat ! amazing to think where half a world away .Look forwood to seeing those pics of your self and family.
Talk to you soon my friend.
Rick.
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-12-07 21:55
On 2006-12-07 19:18, wallew wrote:
I just got off the phone with Rick. What a pleasure it was to speak with him. Great guy. I will be pursuing three patent attorneys in the next day or so. Then more conversations with Rick. Granted, a patent will take a while. BUT, it is the first step of many to get Rick's power conditioner to the US market. And I told him if there were any place where this PC would do well it's here in the USA.
We don't have a problem with dropping good money for an excellent product. So the process begins. I will attempt (with Ricks permission of course) to keep everyone here informed.
Rick, I really enjoyed our conversation and look forward to many more.
jim
That's awesome guys!!!! You have my very best hopes and wishes for tremendous success!!!!!_Mykl
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mykyll2727
Sony Pro
Joined: Apr 30, 2004
Posts: 4171
From: Las Vegas
| Posted: 2006-12-07 22:00
On 2006-12-07 19:40, maverick11359 wrote:
On 2006-12-07 10:55, mykyll2727 wrote:
Mav_If you'd be so kind, please look into what you would think would be a suitable substitute for one of the 15 amp IECs on the 3.1 with a US 20 amp version. I'd really appreciate it._Mykl
Gaday Mykl,
Interesting! I've havn't looked into different rated IECs before ,they all seem to be rated at 10amps for OZ and the same plug is rated at 15amps for the States.
Do you have a IEC Socket on a component rated at 20amps ?
I'll do a little research and get back to you.
cheers Mav Rick
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Mav_I may but I don't know for sure yet. I know someone that has an amp that I'm considering. It's fitted with a 20 amp IEC. So I'm doing my "due diligence" (I learned that term when I sold high ticket investments) and looking into everything I would need._Mykl
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25735
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
|  Posted: 2006-12-08 01:41
Maverick- Last week I was talking to my Audio Tech who is the Lead Assembly Technician for ModWright's Original Equipment Division and he told me that after almost 2 years of ground up design work, development and testing the new ModWright Phono Preamp is now in production.
The subject of protecting the original circuit design of this new piece of Audio equipment came up and he told me that Dan used to use off the shelf parts that could be easily identified by Manufacturer, value and part number, but he learned that if he used unmarked proprietary parts it would make opening up the piece and making a list of the parts and values in an attempt to rip off the design a very difficult and dissapointing task for would be copy cats because they would have absolutely no idea which parts were used.
For example Dan used to use Auricap Polypropylene Film and Foil Caps which are fantastic sounding caps, but anyone can buy them off the shelf which makes duplication very easy.
These days Dan designs around proprietary Teflon Film and Foil Caps which have no values or Manufacturer's mark on them which makes it extremely hard to duplicate the circuitry in which they are used.
Dan has even started using a custom clock in his NS9100ES Signature Truth Mod to avoid unwanted unauthorized duplication.
I think that it would prove to be very interesting if some would be rip-off artist opened up the Mav's 3.1 PC and saw nothing but proprietary parts with customized markings stenciled on them like-
MavsAudio Part #FU-2
~Maxx~
A Satisfied Sony Fan Since 1974!
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maverick11359
Sony King
Joined: Dec 13, 2005
Posts: 1516
From: Coffs Harbour-AUSTRALIA
| Posted: 2007-11-06 16:09
G'day guys'
I started this Thread back in October 2006 and where now over 1 year past the first Mav 3.1 power conditioners came of the production line (my outside open air work bench/table)and started their small but happy life in afew but loved Hifi /Ht audio systems around the world.So this is just a small note to keep this Thread upto date.
I unplugged my pair of Mav 3.1's just the other day to reposition them behind my gear and as a quick experiment left them unplugged and bypassed . Well I'm very happy to state they still work and still make a huge difference to my overall sound quality ,with out them my sound stage sounded small and imaging was not as sharp ,background became noisy, bass lost it's tight controll and bass definition became a little boomy again.It only took a couple of tracks of one CD and I quickly connected them back in to circiut.
It's always worth remembering the Power Conditioners 's we use are sometimes the unseen quiet achievers that keep on keeping on .Hopefully for a very long time to come.
cheers Mav'
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-11-07 15:01
On 2007-11-06 16:09, maverick11359 wrote: It's always worth remembering the Power Conditioners we use are sometimes the unseen quiet achievers that keep on keeping on.
If you are not able to design and make your own Power Conditioners like Maverick does or own one of his Mav's 3.1 Power Conditioners then finding just the right truly effective premuim quality Power Conditioners to run your A/V System can be a greuling and time consuming ordeal.
One of the primary reasons that I truly value the Power Conditioniners that I now have is because I can still very clearly remember the exaustive 3 year search it took to find them.
I auditioned some of the top brands of Power Conditioners as well as measured their EMI/RFI reduction capabilities with an Audio Prism Line Sniffer and I was shocked at how so many of these rather expensive Power Conditioners didn't perform well.
The Power Conditioners that I was finally able to find after my long search make such a great audible and visable difference in my A/V System that without them it would make for a very dissapointing experience due to the tremendous amount of Audio and Video degradation while running the equipment straight off of the Electrical Grid.
If you want to begin seeing and hearing the full potential that your A/V System has to offer and you don't want to spend years of searching for the perfect reasonably priced Power Conditioning that it takes to achieve that level of performance I highly recommend Mav's 3.1 Power Conditioner.
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2007-11-07 17:13
Thanks Maxx for the vote of confidence in the Mav's.
Funny one year ago when i first tried selling the Mav3.1 on ebay i was confronted by a person that recognised my call sign maverick and assumed correctly i was using parts that I purchased from his site and immediately warned me about not having the required Australian standards stamp and classification to sell the Mav , his concern was his parts would be the only evidence if their was a failure or fire.
Time changes peoples inpressions and now having talked to him directly by phone on a couple of times over the last year for other gear with long 1 hr conversations he's become a friend and he can know appreciate that my idea was a sound one and was intrigued at my idea and simplicity of making the Mav idiot and fire proof (still a secret).
Anyway thanks again for the support.
maverick
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mykyll2727
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| Posted: 2007-12-06 15:58
Mav_I'm happy to report that the 3.1 you made for me is working just fine and I couldn't be happier with it. Despite the fact that I've pretty much solved my bass issues I still haven't ruled out adding a power amp to the mix. If I do, and I'm fairly certain that at some point I will, you can be sure I'll be having you make up another one for me.
On another note: after reading your post on your subs I was surprised that I had never thought of hooking up mine in that manner. I've always just run them out from my mains. I'll be giving using the B speaker outs a shot and see what the sound is like. I'll report back on my findings._Mykl
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 00:53
Maverick- Are you going to be making a 2,400 VA version of the Mav's 3.1 Line Conditioner for high wattage output Analog Power Amps?
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 01:31
Maverick- Are you going to be making a 2,400 VA version of the Mav's 3.1 Line Conditioner for high wattage output Analog Power Amps?
~Maxx~
G'day Maxx,
Food for thought!
I never really thought about it before but it wouldn't be hard to increase thre Mav' to 120volt -20amp device for a heavier demand ,everthing would be a little larger and higher ratting ,from the cable,plugs to the thermal circiut breakers. I could even think about adding a thyristor into circuit as a surge protection device next time ....... mmmmmmm interesting ideas.
Mav'
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 02:11
On 2007-12-06 15:58, mykyll2727 wrote:
Mav_I'm happy to report that the 3.1 you made for me is working just fine and I couldn't be happier with it. Despite the fact that I've pretty much solved my bass issues I still haven't ruled out adding a power amp to the mix. If I do, and I'm fairly certain that at some point I will, you can be sure I'll be having you make up another one for me.
On another note: after reading your post on your subs I was surprised that I had never thought of hooking up mine in that manner. I've always just run them out from my mains. I'll be giving using the B speaker outs a shot and see what the sound is like. I'll report back on my findings._Mykl
G'day myky,
Good to hear from you my friend!
Glad that the "Mav" is still quietly trundling along.
Let me know how you fair with the alternate suby connection.I'm still experimenting (schools out) ,I need to possibly do some more modding on those Sansui subys before I'm totaly satisfied.
Mav'
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-07 16:39
Maverick- You have demonstrated beyond all doubt that Mav's 3.1 is a highly effective line conditioner and there is no doubt that you could make a 2,400 va version with an equal or higher build quality and features.
I asked my original question because of all the people I have come across who wouldn't think of running their A/V gear without the benefits of a top quality Line Conditioner like the Mav's 3.1 all of them who had 200-300 wpc and larger Power Amps prefered to run them straight off of the wall preferably from a deicated 120v/20 amp circuit.
Have you noticed this in OZ, or is it just on the 120v North American power grid?
~Maxx~
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2007-12-11 20:05
G'day maxx,
I havn't noticed A trend ,I've looked at the forum boards on occasion on Aussie Hifi / Ht sites and noticed that we still have our skeptics as to power conditioning.In OZ our current draw is half yours because of th 240volt compared to 120volt mains supply,which means we can run smaller conductors and fittings rated up to 10 amps.I still think its ashame that so many guys out there by expensive componets and think by plugging it in to a designated 20amp circiut they are getting the best out of their equipment.
cheers Mav'
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-12 01:25
Maverick- Here in North America almost every Audio Fanatic I've come across who has a large Power Amp will prefer to run it straight off of the house current without the benefit of Line Conditioning even though they have every other piece of Audio and Video equipment in their System benefitting from the use of Line Conditioning.
The most common reason I've heard given for this is that while using Line Conditoning has great benefits for low current draw A/V equipment it restricts the dynamics of high output Power Amps because they draw large amounts of current and they feel that Line Conditioning restricts the Power Amps instant access to.
I think that this may just apply to large Power Amps run off of the 120 volt power grid here in North America because the current is twice as high as it would be on a 240 volt grid.
I agree with you about dubios effectiveness of using dedicated lines. I've always wondered how dedicated they could truly be when they are wired into the same fuse box that the rest of the house gets its electricity from.
Highly respected Soundstage Magazine Audio equipment Reviewer Doug Blackburn once said that he used 1 highly effective Line Conditioner to replace several dedicated lines that he had been using and his Audio System sounded much better for it.
~Maxx~
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SPCOOLIN
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 | Posted: 2007-12-12 07:39
I have run my Parasound 5 x 220wpc amp both ways...Direct to the wall outlet, and from one of the High Current outlets of my Panamax 5300EX...
I notice no restriction of dynamics when running off the Panamax, and also have not noticed any drop in voltage on the digital meter of the Panamax during peaks....
My feeling is that when a circuit or wire, is overloaded...You will see the voltage drop commiserate with the increased current draw during such peaks...
Low voltage/High amperage go hand in hand...One compounds the other in a overloaded wire/circuit situation, and One can also be indication of the other...
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-13 02:19
Steve- I've read of others who have had the same experience as you have had with running their Power Amps off of Line Conditioners without the dynamics being limited.
Whether or not the dynamics are effected could be System related because so many people have reported compressed dynamics under the same operating circumstances.
Here's Doug Blackburn's explaination of how Power Amps draw power much differently than other low current Audio equipment does-
/>Larger components with higher voltage power supplies, like amplifiers, will have current pulses that are shorter in duration, and higher in magnitude (amps).
This is because amplifiers have to get all their power during the small portion of the AC waveform that is higher in voltage than the power supply in the amplifier. The current pulses vary in frequency and peak depending on the frequencies and volume level of the music being played.
These current demands may well be the reason that it is not too unusual for mid-priced PLCs to sound like they are limiting amplifier performance instead of making them sound better.
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~Maxx~
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SPCOOLIN
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| Posted: 2007-12-13 14:13
On 2007-12-13 02:19, Maxxwire wrote:
Steve- I've read of others who have had the same experience as you have had with running their Power Amps off of Line Conditioners without the dynamics being limited.
Whether or not the dynamics are effected could be System related because so many people have reported compressed dynamics under the same operating circumstances.
Here's Doug Blackburn's explaination of how Power Amps draw power much differently than other low current Audio equipment does-
/>Larger components with higher voltage power supplies, like amplifiers, will have current pulses that are shorter in duration, and higher in magnitude (amps).
This is because amplifiers have to get all their power during the small portion of the AC waveform that is higher in voltage than the power supply in the amplifier. The current pulses vary in frequency and peak depending on the frequencies and volume level of the music being played.
These current demands may well be the reason that it is not too unusual for mid-priced PLCs to sound like they are limiting amplifier performance instead of making them sound better.
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~Maxx~
Maxx~
I have read the above quote and concur, but in the basic troubleshooting of anything electrical...There are symptoms, or signs...and one thing does lead to another....Voltage drop is a very important one is all I'm saying...and most of these type complaints could very well be diagnosed knowing Voltage and Amperage draw at any (or that) given moment....At least as a contributing factor...Most times there should be correlation if it can be read accurately...
Mind you...I'm no engineer...But I have done my share of electrical troubleshooting in my career, and I have to believe that some that find these symptoms, post their observations, or make such claims as power conditioners limiting dynamics (and not that they can't) may have been ignoring the other contributing factors before blaming the conditioner.....
Of course I'm not referring to the likes of Doug Blackburn but...It's also not easy for the likes of Doug to answer every ones dilemma without seeing a given system in operation where it lives....Knowing exactly if, and where a voltage drop occurs can point to where exactly the problem/deficiency lies....
Current Limited...Shows up as reduced Voltage (maybe not even reduced reduced by much) and this is where an accurate tool can be implemented to locate the problem/deficiency....
Just as we talk of the benefits of connections, cords, and plugs....the inferior of two examples should show some measurable difference A to B with the correct measurement tool....Whether it shows as a drop in voltage...a altering of Wave Form, or Timing Cycles (Hz)...They are contributing factors that should be able to be measured...
What I'm saying is...to diagnose a power conditioner as current limiting, and thus starving a given power supply of the power needed for dynamics...All factors including the connection methods should be considered...and can be measured to determine if in fact it's the conditioner...or the method in which it has been connected when compared to the same equipment connected directly to the wall...
Current coming into the building is just that....Current...From a source...Be it as it is from that source, The same could be measured at the outlet (the wall source) and then compared to exit ....Comparisons can be made at every connection in the chain for that matter....
Where it is altered can be the only reason for difference in what comes out the other end....and Where that takes place when compared to entry is the answer....Those differences are measurable, and I'm a bit at a loss as to why a more comprehensive guideline has not been mentioned/published as to...What conditioners do what, to what source, in independent reviews....
Steve~
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-15 01:09
On 2007-12-13 14:13, SPCOOLIN wrote: I have to believe that some that find these symptoms, post their observations, or make such claims as power conditioners limiting dynamics (and not that they can't) may have been ignoring the other contributing factors before blaming the conditioner.
I'm a bit at a loss as to why a more comprehensive guideline has not been mentioned/published as to...What conditioners do what, to what source, in independent reviews...
Steve- Of the hundereds of Audiophiles whom I have heard claim that the very effective high quality Line Conditioning they use on all of the rest of their Audio equipment cause current limitation when used by their high output Power Amps all of them have used the same simple methodology to reach their conclusions.
This method being to plug the Power Amp into the wall outlet and then compare its performance when running off of their Line Conditioner with no other factors being introduced to complicate or obfuscate the results.
I think that many of the comprehensive Line Conditioner evaluations that you are speculating about the existance of already exist only scattered amongst hundereds and hundereds of different websites representing the comprehensive information that each individual manufacturer has posted on their product.
Even if this detailed information was compiled and made available in one specific location as you noted each Audio System differs greatly. We are each very independant people and each individual would still be determined to find out whether or not the Line Conditioning he uses limits current to his Power Amp.
~Maxx~
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SPCOOLIN
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| Posted: 2007-12-15 11:26
On 2007-12-15 01:09, Maxxwire wrote:
<blockquote>
On 2007-12-13 14:13, SPCOOLIN wrote: I have to believe that some that find these symptoms, post their observations, or make such claims as power conditioners limiting dynamics (and not that they can't) may have been ignoring the other contributing factors before blaming the conditioner.
I'm a bit at a loss as to why a more comprehensive guideline has not been mentioned/published as to...What conditioners do what, to what source, in independent reviews...
Steve- Of the hundereds of Audiophiles whom I have heard claim that the very effective high quality Line Conditioning they use on all of the rest of their Audio equipment cause current limitation when used by their high output Power Amps all of them have used the same simple methodology to reach their conclusions.
This method being to plug the Power Amp into the wall outlet and then compare its performance when running off of their Line Conditioner with no other factors being introduced to complicate or obfuscate the results.
I think that many of the comprehensive Line Conditioner evaluations that you are speculating about the existance of already exist only scattered amongst hundereds and hundereds of different websites representing the comprehensive information that each individual manufacturer has posted on their product.
Im not sure about other manufactuers, but this is a direct quote from My Panamax 5300EX's Data Page....
Outlet Bank 3
Two switched, high current outlets controlled by the front
panel Power Button or the DC Trigger input. Bank 3 has a 5
second turn on delay and turns off immediately. The High
Current outlets provide power from a low impedance noise filtration
circuit that does not limit the current to your equipment.
Its output is noise isolated from all other outlet banks.
And other then the below specs....there is no other comprehensive data...
EMI/RFI Noise Filtration
Banks 1 - 4:_________________________________________ 90 db, 100 KHz – 2 MHz
Bank 3, High Current Outlets:____________________________60 db, 100 KHz – 2 MHz
Common Mode (all banks)____________________________ 60 db, 100 KHz - 2 MHz
Even if this detailed information was compiled and made available in one specific location as you noted each Audio System differs greatly. We are each very independant people and each individual would still be determined to find out whether or not the Line Conditioning he uses limits current to his Power Amp.
~Maxx~
Maxx~
All I'm trying to say is...Panamax is in the bussiness of providing filtration...For them to make such claim...and not have it be true, I'm guessing would be documented, or disputed in some independent test...
I did say with my system, and my large amp...I notice no limitations when compared to direct from the outlet...as Panamax claims...No current limitations....
Now if the amp exceeded the Panamax's 15 amp rating, or there was a issue with the connection method in a particular installation that caused the current to be more then spec as I mentioned in my above posts....Or even if the total current amount of all items connected to the conditioner exceeded rating...then I could understand the claims....
I don't pretend to call hundreds of audiophiles wrong...I just don't understand the claim without rationalization....And I submit to there can be many factors in each system/conditioner to come to their conclusion...
But Hey...If they hear a difference...Who am I to say ?...More power to them (pun intended)
Us Audiophiles are funny that way.... 
Steve~
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-15 14:20
On 2007-12-15 11:26, SPCOOLIN wrote: But Hey...If they hear a difference...Who am I to say ?...More power to them (pun intended)
Us Audiophiles are funny that way....
Steve~
Steve- The one and only reason that I brought up the existance of this huge group of Audiophiles who have had the experience of even the best Line Conditioners limiting the dynamics of their Power Amps was because if Maverick does go into production on a 20 Amp North American version of the Mav's 3.1 he will eventually have to confront the steadfast opinion of this very vocal and influential group of Audio Asylum members.
I hope that you didn't think that I was disputing the non-current limiting experience that you have had with your Panamax 5300 running your Parasound HCA2205A because I certainly was not. Actually it was refreshing to hear as you know what a Panamax fan I have been for years!
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SPCOOLIN
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| Posted: 2007-12-15 14:40
No Maxx...I wasn't implying that you were either...It's just that so many others may read this, and I wanted to get my points across for others to consider when thinking of power conditioners....
Sometimes everything gets lost in translation...and I may have contributed to confusion, but hopefully I've presented another logical viewpoint effectively....
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2007-12-15 16:04
Steve- This whole situation is very simple either an individual notices current limiting or no current limiting when running a Power Amp off of Line Conditioning and either result would be valid given its individual set of circumstances.
All I was trying to do is let Maverick know the shared opinion of the overwhelming majority of Power Amp users who have expressed their opinion concerning this subject.
You and I do have something in common though and that is that on certain occasions the results I have gotten in my Audio System prove to be the exception when compared with the collective opinion that these esteemed Audiophiles have which makes us both at times the exception to their collective opinion or in other words... exceptional!
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maverick11359
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| Posted: 2009-10-08 01:16
G'day guys,
Thought you might like to know ,3 years have passed since the mav's(power conditioners) first rolled of my work bench, LOL. Not much to report ,apart that they still keep keeping on ,quietly doing their relentless job of cleaning up the sound stage for my and my friends humble systems.. No bad reports from friends that I know of anyway, they still must be all functioning .
As my pointed eared friend says... "Live long and prosper" !!! my little power conditoners...3rd happy anniversary.
Mav'
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jttar
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| Posted: 2009-10-08 23:06
Hello Mav',
Happy Anniversary to your Mav Power Conditioners. Good to hear that they are still doing their job and that everyone is still benefiting from the fruits of your labor and expertise.
Hard to believe that it has been three years. Where does the time go?
Well done my friend,
Joe
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2009-10-09 15:52
Mav- Its great to hear that the excellent high quality Power Conditioners you designed and built are continue to perform sonic wonders around the world!
Happy 3rd anniversary of fulfilling your dream of making an ultra high build quality Power Conditioner which even your pointy eared friend would marvel at!
~Maxx~
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mykyll2727
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| Posted: 2010-04-11 02:21
Mav_I can't believe it's been three years already. My 3.1 has never been out of my system since it's arrival and I'm still happy as can be with it. Congrats on a great job my friend and happy anniversary!!!!!_Mykl
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2010-04-21 14:37
Employing a highly effective Line Conditioner like Mav's 3.1 is essential considering that everything we see and hear from our A/V Systems was once raw AC Power coming from the wall outlet.
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dontsleep33
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| Posted: 2010-12-14 16:29
Question.Are these passive line conditioners with no automatic voltage control?
They look great.If they are passive what do they use?Capacitors and ferrite chokes inside?I'm sure he doesn't want to give the whole secret away but I would like to know what it's doing and how?
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2010-12-15 16:59
dontsleep- You're right Mav built some excellent line conditioners in the Mav 3.1. Since you are currently working on your own line conditioning project you will probably get a hold of Maverick quicker by sending him an IM also because he has never fully divulged the circuitry and parts he used in the Mav 3.1 in public.
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dontsleep33
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| Posted: 2010-12-15 21:40
Thank you Maxx.Is there a website with the price available or is it discontinued?
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Maxxwire
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| Posted: 2010-12-15 22:42
dontsleep- I think that Maverick only made 3 of the Mav's 3.1 Line Conditioners, but he may reveal to you privately how he got them to work so fantastically although I would suggest Pure Copper plugs instead of the Phosphor Bronze ones that he used.
~Maxx~
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