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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
 |  Posted: 2004-09-14 23:54
Hello, all:
I'm looking to replace my older Sony DVD player (non-P Scan) with one of the new ones. The 775 model looks great; however, I'm wondering if I should just bite the bullet and spend the extra $170 for the 975 when it comes out. I'm running a KF42WE610 with the DVI input currently being used by DirecTV HD receiver. My understanding is the 975 will only output the upscaled signal through it's HDMI, so I could switch the DTV to component; however, I'm wondering if it will be worth it...the specs on the two players are identical except for the line doubling/upscaling on the 975, at least from my read of the manuals/specs available online.
Any comments/suggestions??
Thnx, in advance, for your input!
The Doob
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
 | Posted: 2004-09-15 21:08
DoobieWah,
Just food for thought. It is possible to use the DTV DVI and the 975 HDMI's with your WE610 if your willing to use an adapter cable and a switcher box like THIS. Im waiting for the DVP-NS975V to come out also. I checked with Tweeter and was told October 1st.
Joe
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
 | Posted: 2004-09-16 14:02
DoobieWah-
My question would be, "Will I see an improvement if I replace my non-progressive DVD player (presumeably connected to Video 5 or 6) with a progressive DVD player". Remember, all KF42WE610 video inputs are scaled to 788p. The DRC circuitry in the KF42WE610 first doubles the number of lines from your non-progressive DVD player from 480i to 960i. My point is that you may spend money for a new DVD player and not be able to see the difference! One factor that MIGHT make an improvement is the resolution of the video DAC. Generally, a 12 bit DAC provides better resolution than a 10 bit DAC.
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-John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550, AVD-C700ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-09-16 22:49
jehill:
So, if I read you right, the upscaling ability of the TV probably improves the non-progressive scan picture of my current player to a quality that is close to that of a progressive scan picture? If that is the case, then, except for your 12 bit DAC vs 10 bit DAC improvement, the picture may not improve at all? Obviously, if that is the case, I shouldn't waste my money. Isn't the 480p signal suppose to be better, though, or is that improvement washed out by the superior electronics of the Sony TV??
I guess I always thought that 'progressive scan' was better... Is that just hype, then, or does it only show visibly on TVs that don't upscale??
HMMMM....thought to ponder....
The Doob
PS: jttar- I like your idea; however, it bumps the price up way over where the wife is willing to go (at least with the arguments that I have ); however, I'm running out of a good reason to buy a new player if the picture won't really improve.....although the audio signal would be much better with the new player.....
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
 | Posted: 2004-09-16 23:58
In our store we a DVPNS575P hooked up to a KF42WE620 with component video and 2 21" LCD tv's, one with S-Video and the other with Composite cables. Unfortunately when the DVD player is set to progressive the S-Video and Composite outputs go dead, so we generally run the DVD player with a non-progressive signal.
When we need to demo the KF42WE620 we simply reach behind the DVD player and switch it into progressive mode. The difference is dramatic. The set looks much better when fed a progressive signal from the DVPNS575P.
How much if any the DVPNS975V will look with the DVI/HDMI output is uncertain at this point. We don't expect them in Canada until November.
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rb
I listen to music in StereO
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-09-17 14:25
DoobieWah-
A 480p signal is supposed to be better, but that might assume the use of a TV that does not convert 480i video to progressive video. Keep in mind that Sony isn't the only vendor whose electronics converts 480i video to progressive video. This conversion is required for all plasma and LCD displays. The differences are in the algorithm that is used. The progressive output of the DVD player in my AVD-C70ES does not look as good as the non-progressive output, but that could be due to a deficiency in the player. Also, 960 lines might look better than 480 lines on my 36XBR450, period!
Can you try out the progressive DVD player that you wish to purchanse at home long enough to compare it with whay you have?
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-John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550, AVD-C700ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-09-23 21:27
OK...so I ended up going to a local high-end retailer (Paradyme) and spoke at length with the Asst. Mgr. He told me that there would definitely be a difference between a 5 yr old non P-scan player and the new p-scans. I asked him about the 775 vs the 975. He said he just had the specs on the 975; however, except for a slight (read: You may not notice much! ) advantage to the DVI connection, my TV set, the KF-42WE610, already takes the signal it receives and converts it to it's native resolution. He said that the 975 will upconvert the signal from the DVD, which will then be subject to another conversion by the TV. He thought that the gain achieved by the DVI connection may be partially lost via the second conversion. He recommended I try a 775 on the composit in and leave my DVI input with the digital Sat signal.
Well, I took it home with the promise that I could bring it back, no questions asked.
The results?? The picture and the sound from this unit are amazing. The background details come to life. The sharpness and clarity in the images is quite noticeable. The sound? Definitely a solid gain over my older unit.
The verdict? This unit is a keeper and highly recommended for anyone looking for a good unit with excellent features for a great price. The set-up was easy and the menus allow for several adjustments. One I loved was the ability to adjust the black level, which some have compained was an issue with the LCD projection TVs. I can't say that the probem is eliminated; however, I noticed a remarkable difference when using picture mode 'Cinema 1', which according to the manual "enhances details in dark areas by increasing black level".
I wasn't thrilled last year when I looked at Sony's 725 DVD player. The reviews I read on it were lukewarm, at best. This new 775 is head and shoulders above the 725 and Sony has hit another home run with me!
The Doob
The Doob
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-09-23 22:13
DoobieWah,
Great to hear that your so excited and satisfied with your new 775 player. As I posted above, I have been waiting for the 975 to hit the streets to check them out based mostly on the upscaling capabilities but after reading your post and the difference in detail that you noticed I will definitely have to give them both consideration. It's good to hear the enhancement of blacks using the Cinema 1 mode improves the picture with your 42WE610. Thanks for the review and I hope your "keeper" gives you many years of good service.
Joe
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-09-23 22:31
jttar:
Still playing with the unit. I'll report anything further that I find out; however, with 8 discs checked so far, I have seen a difference in picture quality in all of them.
With only one DVI in, I wanted to use it for what was best. The saleman pointed out to me that they have problems with signal degradation with most of the DVI splitters he's seen and didn't recommend one. With that in mind, (and a substantial price difference and the fact that he showed me on their units that a signal loss occurs when going from DVI to composite in for digital sat signals), I figured I try this one out. As with most of us on the forum when we buy new stuff, I have been in and out of all the menus and trying all of the settings. Watched movies in P-scan and non P-scan. Very happy at this point, especially considering the alternative was $300 plus a DVI splitter (cost unknown).
I still have a small itch to want to try the 975, but the wife is happy with my liking the less expensive unit....and when Mama's happy, things are good around here!
The Doob
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-09-24 15:54
DoobieWah-
I am happy to hear that you see a big, big improvement with the 975! Are you using one of the component video inputs or the DVI input on your WE610? Have you tried both? Which do you like best?
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-John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550, AVD-C700ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-09-24 17:49
jehill:
Actually, I am testing out the 775, not the 975. When the salesman (actually, the asst mgr-and quite knowledgable, too!)and I went over the specs at his store, the major difference was the HDMI out and the upscaling. He saw no other differences on his Sony spec sheet. He felt that, with only one DVI input on my KF42-WE610, it would be best used with the HD DirecTV receiver. He said they had been disappointed in the ability of DVI splitters to keep signal quality from degrading and did not recommend one, unless I spent several hundred dollars for a good one...and felt that any gain I got going from the composite out to the HDMI out (with an adapter to DVI) might not even be noticeable. He pointed to the 975 as upscaling the signal, and said that he was concerned about the TV then 'rescaling' to it's native resolution. He felt that a standard 480p signal, upscaled only by the TV itself, would produce as good a picture.
We had no way of testing the theory as the 975 won't be in his store until October; however, he did show me a DirecTV signal through my set using DVI, then composite. There was a noticeable difference. He said that on other 'DVI out' DVD players that he's had (most notably a Samsung), that the difference was negligible at best and not worth, in his opinion, three times the money of the 775. (I did look at a DVI out Samsung and wasn't impressed...I remember reading that they didn't work well with the Sony's anyway...)
With all of this in mind, and the price issue, that being $300 for the 975, over $200 for a decent DVI splitter, plus an HDMI to DVI adapter and only just a little over $100 for the 775, I figured I try it.
Besides my comments above, I searched for and found a dark movie to really test this player out. I chose 'Underworld' for all of the black and greys. In a side by side comparison with my old player, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Details in the dark areas of the movie jumped out at me like never before and the sharpness of the picture was wonderful! The sound processing, through the same optical connection as the old unit, was crisper than before, too.
Well, so much for bantering...but I must say, for the price, this unit stacks up quite nicely with the LCD projection units. From a price to performance standpoint, well worth a look!
The Doob
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-09-24 18:33
Excellent! BTW, 975 was a typo. I forgot that the 775 doesn't include a DVI output. Anyway, I am glad that you are extremely happy now.
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-John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550, AVD-C700ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-09-24 19:59
jehill:
And now, based on what the salesman said, I'm going to try the SACD capabilities of the unit, too. He said the difference is amazing on some discs.
Any opinion??
The Doob
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-09-25 14:13
I only have a few SACDs. One has a choice of a stereo track or a multi-channel track. I can tell you that there is absolutely no comparison between the two. The multi-channel track definitely sounds much better than the stereo track. I haven't noticed that much difference between the CD version and the SACD stereo version of an album, but I haven't compared that many.
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-John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550, AVD-C700ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-09-29 19:48
UPDATE
Although this player has one of the best pictures I can find, I have recently gone through three units as 3/10 movies watched this last weekend froze up during playback. I tried them in my other Sony and an XBox and an el cheapo car player and they did not freeze!
I took the DVDs to the dealer and their floor model froze up in the exact same spots! We could not get any of their other players to do this, only the Sony!
They are checking for a new batch of players to be delivered and we'll see what happens. In the meantime, I'm using my old unit!
Very frustrating, indeed!
The Doob
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JamisonBWolsh
Sony Buff
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 12
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-04 09:29
Im not sure which store you bought this unit form, but I called the sonystyle store in beverly hills. They said they never had any returns or problems with this unit. The specs on this unit is amazing! I would rather pay $129.99 for this player, then 299.99 for the upscaling player. My tv is the new sony 36xs955, so it should upconvert the signal anyway. As for any problems with the 775, well, I will purchase the 19.95 2 year replacement plan. So, if the problem your describing does happen, I can replace it with another one. In the end, I will be paying $10.50 total for both the player and the plan (i have a $150 rebate given to me for buying the 36xs955)
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-04 11:50
On 2004-10-04 09:29, JamisonBWolsh wrote:
Im not sure which store you bought this unit form, but I called the sonystyle store in beverly hills. They said they never had any returns or problems with this unit. The specs on this unit is amazing! I would rather pay $129.99 for this player, then 299.99 for the upscaling player. My tv is the new sony 36xs955, so it should upconvert the signal anyway. As for any problems with the 775, well, I will purchase the 19.95 2 year replacement plan. So, if the problem your describing does happen, I can replace it with another one. In the end, I will be paying $10.50 total for both the player and the plan (i have a $150 rebate given to me for buying the 36xs955)
As stated, this unit has an amazing picture....best in class as far as I'm concerned. I wish I could find one that doesn't lock up. My store has been around for years and stands behind their products...however, until they can show me one that doesn't lock up, I won't accept one. If the Sony store has never had a problem with any of their units, I sure wish they'd send some of those our way...I would think it was my problem except for the fact that no other DVD player (so far) has locked on any of the DVDs in question except the Sony. Ahhhhh, sometimes, life can throw you curves!!
With your extended warranty, you're covered! I'm just leery after seeing so many of these units freeze; and, so far, Sony has not responded with any answer at all. They didn't deny the problem, just never acknowledged that it existed, either. Hopefully, the matter will be resolved.
The Doob
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JamisonBWolsh
Sony Buff
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 12
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-06 18:29
I just bought the 775v and its outstanding. I watched one move with zero problems. Which movies have the problem so i can test my dvd player?
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-06 22:02
JamisonBWolsh,
If you own the disk, Titan A.E. try chapter 12. This is one that DoobieWah was having problems with freezing up.
Joe
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-07 00:39
On 2004-10-06 18:29, JamisonBWolsh wrote:
I just bought the 775v and its outstanding. I watched one move with zero problems. Which movies have the problem so i can test my dvd player?
Also, The Scorpian King. Just after the battle in the desert where he falls from the arrow with the scorpian poison. The sorcererous 'takes the evil out, then collapses. He awakens the next morning, OK, and looks at her. She awakens and the freeze happened. (Sorry, I don't remember the chapter number...
There was a third, too, but these were the ones I took to the AV store. They both froze up on their demo, in addition to every unit they had in stock.
I hope your unit is OK. I loved the picture on my...best I've seen, yet, for a unit in this price range.
The Doob
PS: Still no answer from Sony, per the AV store, regarding the problem. They've sent their entire stock back.
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
Joined: Jul 19, 2004
Posts: 18
From:
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
Joined: Jul 19, 2004
Posts: 18
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-12 15:09
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staRang
Sony Fan
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
Posts: 8
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-14 14:58
You should've waited for the 975v. If you could avoid going from D --> A --> D, then do it.
A $20 DVI/HDMI cable is far better than $100 Component cables.
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-10-14 15:47
staRang-
Welcome to Agoraquest! I am not so sure that I agree that a $20 DVI/HDMI cable is far better than a $100 set of component cables. What is your source of information? Have you actually tried out a $100 set of component cables?
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-John
Sony A/V System: KDL-55XBR8, BDP-S550, AVD-C700ES Super Audio CD/DVD Receiver, 4 SS-LA500ED surround speakers, 1 SS-LAC505ED center channel speaker and 1 SA-WD200 Active Subwoofer
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aeroblazer
Sony Devotee
Joined: Aug 14, 2004
Posts: 52
From: LA
 | Posted: 2004-10-14 16:09
Umm... I'd have to agree with jehill...
In fact, from my experience, (I own a Monster DVI400 DVI-D cable) I see no signal loss or coloration difference between the DVI-D cable and the THX-certified Monster Component cable when hooked up to my HD Cable Box. I own both cables, but decided to use the DVI-D because I need my other component inputs for my PS2, XBox, and DVD Player.
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staRang
Sony Fan
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
Posts: 8
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-15 16:23
Thanks for the warm welcoming.
Okay, I didn't mean it literally. lol. Just stating that DVI/HMDI, IMHO, is well worth it. And to achieve similar quality w/ YPbPr, you're going to need a really expensive cable.
Should have my 975v in just a couple more days. Right now, I'm using a Bravo D2 along w/ a KV34HS420. Great picture, but, the D2's remote and menu's are terrible.
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hotcross
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 45
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-16 14:47
where did you order it? i dont see it anywhere.
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-18 00:39
On 2004-10-12 15:09, 4KDisplay wrote:
How many units did they have in stock?
And you were there while they checked their entire stock?
How long did that take?
The total number of units tried that froze, including the two that I had taken home, was 5.
I was there while we checked all the units that they had left (including the floor demo) and it took less than 30 minutes as we opened the boxes, hooked up the units, and went right to where the discs would freeze.
No update as of yet...the asst. manager states that Sony "is trying to determine the problem." We both suspect that no real answer will be forthcoming....
The Doob
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staRang
Sony Fan
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
Posts: 8
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-18 14:47
They have them on www.sonystyle.com
On 2004-10-16 14:47, hotcross wrote:
where did you order it? i dont see it anywhere.
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rwalley
Sony Fan
Joined: May 24, 2004
Posts: 3
From: UK
 |  Posted: 2004-10-19 12:31
It appears rosy for all you yanks
Any news on the DVP-NS975 in the UK.
I have the Panny TH-50PHW6BX plasma (probably euro model) and was considering purchasing the DVI-D terminal card for use with a DVI/HDMI DVD player. Budget models of HDMI players over here seem limited to the new panasonic or the samsung.
Also can anyone clear up this signal loss issue when converting from HDMI to DVI-D.
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-10-21 01:36
Is there a forum member that has purchased a 975V yet? They still are not available in Canada.
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-21 12:41
On 2004-10-19 12:31, rwalley wrote:
Also can anyone clear up this signal loss issue when converting from HDMI to DVI-D.
My understanding is that all you are doing is losing the audio signal and that the video signal is a pass-through, with no signal loss occurring through the adapter.
The Doob
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-10-21 23:23
The signal loss if any would be minimal. It would depend on the qaulity of the adaptor.
You are correct in that it would just pass the video signal.
Rather than using a adaptor I would use a cable with a DVI on one end HDMI on the other.
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-21 23:58
On 2004-10-21 23:23, rb wrote:
Rather than using a adaptor I would use a cable with a DVI on one end HDMI on the other.
rb:
I've seen the adapters, not the cable of which you speak. Where have you seen them??
Thnx,
The Doob
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-10-22 00:27
here http://www.gefen.com/
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-22 11:36
On 2004-10-22 00:27, rb wrote:
here http://www.gefen.com/
rb:
Mucho Thnx!!
The Doob
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staRang
Sony Fan
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
Posts: 8
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-22 12:32
I bought a 2m DVI --> HDMI cable on eBay for $22 shipped.
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KV32XBR450
BRAVO D2 (Soon to be DPNS975V)
STRDA1000ES
CDPCX335
MDSJE330
SAVE535H
SAWM40
DSCP9
DCRPC110
PCVRZ46G
SDMS93
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-22 20:24
One of our forum sponsers, Better Cables, has the adapter cable also. It goes for $49.95(USD) and can be seen HERE.
Joe
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
Joined: Jul 19, 2004
Posts: 18
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-23 21:32
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-10-24 00:31
We did get the 900, I sold quite a few of them.
The975V will arive first week of Nov.
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rb
I listen to music in StereO
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JamisonBWolsh
Sony Buff
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 12
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-24 09:43
I bought the 775 V. The picture quality on this dvd player is simply AMAZING! I cant compare it with the 975 because i have not seen that model. As for the freezing, My dvd player has not "frozen" on me yet. This is my first 775v and it works wonders.
Seeing this dvd on my new 36xs955 (it automatically upconverts the signal I think?) is outstanding. I can't imagine a better pq with the 975? I believe the 975 would show better pq on LCD and plasma screen instead on tubes....
From what I have read, there is little difference between using component cables and hdmi cables on a tube set.
As for the arguement on the price of cables. I bought $12 component cable from target and they do work just as good as $100 cables .Of course, $100 cables like monster is made to last a LONG time. These are STRONG cables. The target cables will show the same PQ, but the cables are not made to be plugged in and out many times. I beleieve they will rip or break aftre constantly doing so. If you plan on just using it in one place, then target is the cables to buy...
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baseballgod
Sonyphile
Joined: May 13, 2003
Posts: 409
From: Connecticut
 | Posted: 2004-10-24 20:45
Just a quick post while watching WS game 2 (GO SOX!) I just purchased the 775v and the picture quality is outstanding in interlaced mode, and the sound is fantastic and detailed on both SACD and on Redbook CD thru the analog outs. It seems to have better D/A conversion than the DA4ES which makes sense because it is a newer model and is probably packed with evolutionary technology. Sony really seems to have hit a home run with this model, my only quibbles is the remote seems to have a short range and it only comes in silver...
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
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Posts: 18
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-25 21:37
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-26 01:15
I'm jealous....I can't find a 775 that doesn't freeze.....
Maybe I have bad kharma??
The Doob
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-10-26 01:32
Doob- Do they freeze solid or is it a long layer change?
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-10-26 15:43
On 2004-10-26 01:32, rb wrote:
Doob- Do they freeze solid or is it a long layer change?
rb: They freeze solid. I have an older Sony that has longer layer changes than other units; however, all of the 775s I've tried will freeze solid at the same point on the same DVDs. The same DVD will not freeze on any other Sony unit, including the 575. I love the picture from this unit...I noticed a marked difference between it and the 575, for example; however, think I may have to wait 'till next year (or a price drop on the 975??) to upgrade. Unfortunately, Sony never got back to my AV store with any answer, so at this point, I'm gun-shy.
I've got hundreds of movies on DVD and the freezing is annoying, to say the least. When it happens, you have to stop the movie, then re-start it. Sometimes when you re-start it, the video is out of sync with the audio. You have to start/stop again. We couldn't get any other player at the AV store to do it with the same DVDs, only the 775.
I'm guessing I'm just meant to get next years model.....The amount of time I've spent on this is bordering on 'way tooooo much', so I just gave up for now....sigh!!
The Doob
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hotcross
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 45
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-30 20:48
i was thinking of getting the 775 with a pair of monster video 3 component cables. do you think this is a good setup or should i wait for the 975? the 975 sounds great but the price is high and it doesnt come with a hdmi cable which is another 100 bux.
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-10-30 21:10
What kind of TV do you have? I am under the impression that HDMI will have the most dramatic effect on fixed pixel type displays like the Grand Wega LCD's
How important is sound qaulity to you? The 975V has a couple of audiophile features like being able to turn off the video circuits and the FL display while playing CD/SA-CD's.
I should have my hands on one on Monday, the first thing I am going to do is to take the lid off and compare the interior to the 775. The 775 has all circuits on one board sharing a single power supply.
How it is built will say a lot. I will post photos on Monday evening.
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hotcross
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 45
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-30 23:46
hi, thanks for the info.
i just bought the kv32hs420 32" sony hdtv. i wanted a really kick ass picture and was waiting for the sony upscaling models but the price is steep and the lack of hdmi cable is swaying me towards the 775. i guess i'll risk the freeze problem.
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JamisonBWolsh
Sony Buff
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 12
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-31 09:47
ok.... I have never tried the movies that cause the freezing problem. However, I have watched countless movies without one freezing problem. Perhaps you had a bad batch? I LOVE this DVD player. It truly is worth the msrp of 129.99 The PQ is uncomparable. If you do buy the dvd player, Get it at Sony style. The warranty is 19.95 and that includes you can return it and get a full refund no questions asked...
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baseballgod
Sonyphile
Joined: May 13, 2003
Posts: 409
From: Connecticut
| Posted: 2004-10-31 11:37
hotcross, I have the 775v and Monster Video 3 component cables hooked up to my 32" Toshiba monitor. Very nice picture indeed. I have heard a step above would be the Monster M1000 component video cables, which have pure silver conductors instead of copper. The Audioquest/Cinemaquest component cables are also supposed to be very good. The PQ with the 775 is awesomely good. So much better than the JVC I bought 2 years ago I can't believe it. I got mine for $117 on sale. The SACD playback is also a nice bonus.
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hotcross
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Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 45
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-31 14:16
cool thanks guys! i'll check out those monster cables too. is the m1000 the ultra line?
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hotcross
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 45
From:
| Posted: 2004-10-31 14:21
which do you think of these is the best?
http://www.monstercables.com/productPage.asp?pin=202
http://www.monstercables.com/productPage.asp?pin=1306
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JamisonBWolsh
Sony Buff
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 12
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-01 19:46
I bought my component cables from Target. I think the GE brand? I paid $15 for them and I cant imagine a better picture. Moral of the story? Monster cables are over priced. I would suggest the GE cables. If your adament on the monster cables, buy them. But don't expect to have better PQ then my $15 Ge cables.
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hotcross
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 45
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-02 00:29
wow. that is bold!  i wish i could see screenshots comparing cheap cables to expensive ones and see the difference.
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JamisonBWolsh
Sony Buff
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 12
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-02 09:08
Bold statement? Naw.... I did my research. I just bought a 36xs955 and the 775v dvd player. Why waste $$$ on something that is not needed for better pq. Now you can DO your own research on the forums and newsgroups. you will see that monsters are over priced and over-hyped. MANY poeple seem to think how I do.
All I am saying is that the PQ on monsters is the same as a generic cable. You will find that monsters are made to be stronger. It will last for MANY moves (plugging and unplugging). I dont plan to move mine, so the generics are good enough.
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hotcross
Sony Enthusiant
Joined: Jun 26, 2004
Posts: 45
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-03 19:34
i stumbled into this thread in cables. maxxwire seems to love the m1000. damn, i want screenshots! 
http://www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?topic=17065&forum=51
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peabody
Sony Buff
Joined: Sep 11, 2002
Posts: 14
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-05 09:30
I just bought a 775v DVD player and I was reading the owners manual and it said the SACD uses the RCA connectors. I bought the toslink connector becuase of everyones opinion do I have to use the RCA'S to get the sacd sound. If so why would the best recording not use the best cables. Or am I reading this wrong. Very confused...
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-05 10:21
You cannot pass SA-CD tthrough the digital output, SA-CD is analog out only.
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peabody
Sony Buff
Joined: Sep 11, 2002
Posts: 14
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-05 11:32
If I have both optical and rca's connected and if I play a sacd hybread will it play in sacd or normal?
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-05 13:14
The player will play the layer you have selected. It will be independant of the connections. If you play the SA-CD layer and you have your receiver set to the digital input you will get silence.
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-05 19:27
I've had a chance to take the lids off of the 775 and 975 and take photos but I can't seem to be able to upload them.
The players have more simularities then differences. The 975V does have a beefier power supply, suggesting that they are separate for the video and audio sections.
The chassis are very simular except the 975V has a metal face plate.
The RCA jacks are gold plated on the 975V.
As far as features go the 975V allows you to shut off the video section and the FL display. Not sure if the 775V does this, can anyone confirm?
My main interest in this player is the internal DD/DTS decoding which sounds quite good, very simular to the 775V I would imagine. And the HDMI video output. Have not been able to test it, still waiting for a HDMI/DVI cable to arrive. I use a 57" CRT based RPTV so not sure if there will be any benefit. Using component video out I would say it is at least the equal to my RDR-GX7.
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-06 01:45
I had a chance to watch Shrek 2 this evening on the 975. All I can say is awesome. Great picture really vibrant and punchy. Anxious to see how the HDMI output will look. Baseballgod, JamisonBWolsh and DoobieWah I share your enthusiasm for the PQ.
Sound quality from the internal decoder and Dac was excellent. The real benefit of these DVD players that include SA-CD and or DVD-A is how good they can sound using the internal decoder and sending the signal to receiver/preamp in the analog domain. The Dacs and analog output stage is usually a few steps above the norm.
I'm really impressed. You 775V owners out there know what I'm talking about.
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-06 16:18
rb,
Thanks for the review of the 975. Coming from you it is a valued opinion. Did you notice any delay on the layer change while watching DVD's? It will be interesting to hear if the HDMI/DVI cable tweaks the picture up another notch in PQ. Would love to see the pictures, last time I checked the picture upload was working but if your having a problem on Agoraquest I would be happy to host them for you.
Joe
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-06 22:35
Joe I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong, if I can send them to you that would be great!!.
I did not notice a layer change at all, it was seamless.
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-06 22:53
rb,
Thanks for the reply, glad to hear that there was no layer change pause. Please check your "inbox" here and I will get those pictures posted.
Joe
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Filipinoyakuza
Sony Buff
Joined: Aug 09, 2004
Posts: 22
From:
 |  Posted: 2004-11-06 23:58
Hey guys I have read all the 7 pages of this post and based on what I read and also the cnet review I found on the DVP-975V I'm leaning toward going with the DVP-NS775V instead.The first reason being that the price difference between to the two dvd players the DVP-NS775V is going for $129 at my local best buy here in San Diego and the cheapest that I found the DVP-NS975V for on the internet was $240The second reason being that on the cnet review for DVP-NS975 they didnt recommend the DVP-NS975 for use with Direct View CRT TV's.Here what they had to say: "Overall, we recommend avoiding upscaling players if you have a CRT-based HDTV, unless the set demonstrates a marked improvement in video quality over the digital jack".This was on page 4 of the review for the DVP-NS975V on cnet.Overall cnet gave it a 8.0 very good and reviewed buy cnet editor David Katzmaier.Sorry if I sound like a cnet fanboy.So my conclusion is that if you have a LCD or plasma or rear projection LCD then it may be worth spending a about a hundred more and get the DVP-NS975 and get a HDMI DVI cable.But if your like me and have CRT then to me the logical and best dvd player to get is the DVP-NS775V.I recently just got my new KD-34XBR960 and right now I'm just using my sony PS2 to watch DVD movies and right now just isnt cuting it with my great CRT.
The DVP-NS975V can be found here:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_DVP_NS975V/4505-6473_7-30788102-2.html?tag=top
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-07 00:12
Joe you should have them now.
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rb
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From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-07 00:19
I have not yet had a chance to check out the HDMI connection on my CRT based TV. If the PQ is at least the equal of the component connection I'll be happy. I've run out of component video inputs. My pre/pro has 2, my TV has 2, X-Box, PS2, DVD recorder, HD cable all use component inputs. I will need a DVI switcher so I can use DVI from the cable box.
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-07 01:07
rb:
I appreciate your comments. With what you have said, I'm out the door looking for a 975!! I'll post results later (with fingers crossed that there will be no locking....I hope I just went through a bad batch of 775s!!)
This thread has been great! I appreciate all of the comments/input from members.
The Doob
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-07 15:01
rb's pictures of the DVPNS-775V
rb's pictures of the DVP-NS975V
Joe
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rb
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Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-07 15:18
Fellas I have to tell you that I'm blown away by the 975V. There seems to be this trend on some internet sites where every year DVD players are reviewed by having them put under the micoscope. Every possible aspect of the player is examined and measured. With out fail there is always some measurement in which the vast majority of player's fail. It's almost like people expect perfection from them. Guess what it's not going to happen. That's why the manufacturers release a new model every year. What these reviews fail to convey is just how well they may perform in an actual home theater environment. These tests include things that I don't even know what they mean. To make a purchasing decision based on these ridiculous measurements seems really weird to me. All I know is after reading these reviews I come away not having a clue as to how a player might actually sound or look at home. I do read these reviews out of interest but to be honest I find them meaningless.
I must admit that after taking off the cover of the 775V and 975V I was not expecting very much. There really is nothing to them. All the major circuits share one board, they weigh in at five lbs. They didn't exactly inspire confidence. I was totally wrong and should not have judged a book by it's cover.
I have had a chance over this weekend to put the 975V through it's paces and have come away totally impressed both visually and much to my shock sonically. The picture is outstanding. It's dynamic, vibrant and punchy. Is it going to fail some of these tests and measurements?, with out a doubt, does it matter?, not in the least. It has the best PQ that I have had in my home using my KP57WS500. I currently own a Sony RDR-GX7 and a Cambridge Audio AZUR 540D. Past players include a Technics DVD-A10 and a Sony DVPNS999ES. It beats them all hands down. Is that measurable? Who cares?, it's what I see on my screen that matters. How much I enjoy watching it is what is most important to me. If it passes tests like below black, 2-2 cadence, etc, etc, blah, blah , blah does not concern me in the slightest. Like I said earlier they all fail some aspects of these tests. I read on these forums all the time where people won't buy a particular machine because they failed in one test or another so they wait for the next years model again expecting perfection.
All I can say is that visually I'm totally happy with the 975V. Watching movies with it is a real treat.
I have built my audio system to take advantage of a DVD player that has internal decoding for DD/DTS. I run full range speakers on every channel that allows me to not have to use any kind of bass management. I have a pure analog signal path from the DVD player to my amp. In my experience I have always found that to sound better than to have the signal digitally processed inside a receiver//pre/pro. The reason that Sony receivers such as the DA3ES/DA4ES/DA5ES/DA7ES has impressed me so much is the way handle analog signals. You can shut off the video and digital circuits while in the analog direct mode. That's when they sound their best. If I did not have the need to digitally process the signal from my X-Box, PS-2 and Digital cable box I would use an all analog multi channel preamp.
My Audio Refinement pre/pro was chosen because no other unit on the market at or near it's price is as musical or has a better analog direct mode. It's currently at the Parts Connexion getting the analog input and output stages completely upgraded/modded. I have been using a NAD T750 analog 5.1 ready receiver which they built to be used with their DVD player from a few years ago that had internal DD/DTS decoding to test the 975V. It has the qualities of their 2 channel preamps which has always been a music first approach. In other words I have not yet heard the 975V at it best yet I'm totally impressed with how it sounds.
I watched a couple of concert DVD's (Depeche Mode ne Night In Paris;Peter Gabriel:Growing Up Live) and was totally involved with the music this player produced. I find it hard enough to get these compression schemes like DD/DTS to sound musical but the 975V really delivered the goods.
I next tried some multi channel SA-CD's and truth be told I was not expecting much. Man was I wrong. To say that I was impressed would be an understatement. The qaulities that I have found missing from other Sony SA-CD players that I haved owned like the SCDC555ES and DVPNS999ES was there in abundance.
Qualities like rythym, pace and timing. Listening to discs like Godsmack:The Other Side on multi channel SA-CD was really fun. The 975V has the qualities that I mentioned and the drive to let the music come through. I have not heard another Sony DVD player that I thought was musical and would allow me to connect with music emotionally. It's a total blast to listen to.
I don't know how they did it but I believe Sony has a real winner with the 975V. It sells for $500 in Canada and think it's worth every penny. For how well it performs I think it's a bargain. If the 775V even comes close to it then it's a steal.
Is there better DVD players on the market?, for sure, will they fail some of these silly tests, with out a doubt, does it matter?, I don't think so. My advise, go out and get yourself a 775V/975V and forget about the reviews with their measurements that you are going to read else where. It performs beyond my high expectations and I have not even heard it at its best. I can hardly wait to get my pre/pro back so I can really put it to the test.
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davemtp
Sony Devotee
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
Posts: 67
From: Alaska
 | Posted: 2004-11-07 20:54
rb,
Thanks for the great post! You have put my mind at ease, as I have a 975 on order. I am very excited now to put it through some paces this next weekend! Thanks for the effort of posting those pics too, it is remarkable how simplistic they seem from just those views.
I agree with you also on some of those tests, at some point you have to sit back and say "does this make me say 'Wow?'" or not. It definitely sounds as though this unit has satisfied your 'wow' factor!
Dave
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-07 21:34
rb,
Can't thank you enough for the complete review. I think a few of us are almost excited as you just by reading about your listening and watching experiences. I am curious to know if you tried either of the digital (coax/optical) outputs or have you tested only with the 5.1 analog outs? I think your sterling review will tip the scales for anyone who is on the fencepost of purchasing the 975V including myself. Your right, there you have to look for the differences between the 775 and the 975, the most obvious is the extra S-Video output and HDMI output on the 975. Thanks for sharing your experience and pictures with us.
Joe
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-08 00:00
rb:
Great review. Thank-you for all of the great input. Mine's on order, now. Can't wait to see the results!
The Doob
PS: jttar- Thnx for the photos!
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peabody
Sony Buff
Joined: Sep 11, 2002
Posts: 14
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-08 12:04
I have a 4es receiver and just bought a 775 dvd player. I was watching pink floyds the wall and I had the volume turned up to 30-35 db for a loud volume. With a cd my ears would blead at that volume. Why do I have to turn the volume up that far with a dvd, is this normal? I have toslink cable and monster RCA's for sacd. The player is set to digital.
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duncan
Sony Legend
Joined: Jul 26, 2002
Posts: 964
From: UK
 | Posted: 2004-11-08 13:13
I wish the 975 was available in the UK but its not and there is no sign of it either 
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rb
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Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-08 13:39
peabody, it's normal to have to turn DVD's up louder. I find particularly with Dolby Digital discs that the volume is all over the place. On some discs -10db is really loud on others -0db is not loud enough I'll have to go as high as +5db.
-10db on CD's is as high as I'd ever care to go.
Keep in mind that -30db, -10db, -0db, +5db etc. are nothing but reference #'s. All types of discs are mastered at different volumes.
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-08 13:41
Joe I won't have my digital pre/pro back for at least another week at which time I can test the digital coax/fibre outputs.
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blackvette
Sony Buff
Joined: Sep 10, 2004
Posts: 19
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-08 14:21
On 2004-11-07 15:18, rb wrote:
Fellas I have to tell you that I'm blown away by the 975V. There seems to be this trend on some internet sites where every year DVD players are reviewed by having them put under the micoscope. Every possible aspect of the player is examined and measured. With out fail there is always some measurement in which the vast majority of player's fail. It's almost like people expect perfection from them. Guess what it's not going to happen. That's why the manufacturers release a new model every year. What these reviews fail to convey is just how well they may perform in an actual home theater environment. These tests include things that I don't even know what they mean. To make a purchasing decision based on these ridiculous measurements seems really weird to me. All I know is after reading these reviews I come away not having a clue as to how a player might actually sound or look at home. I do read these reviews out of interest but to be honest I find them meaningless.
I must admit that after taking off the cover of the 775V and 975V I was not expecting very much. There really is nothing to them. All the major circuits share one board, they weigh in at five lbs. They didn't exactly inspire confidence. I was totally wrong and should not have judged a book by it's cover.
I have had a chance over this weekend to put the 975V through it's paces and have come away totally impressed both visually and much to my shock sonically. The picture is outstanding. It's dynamic, vibrant and punchy. Is it going to fail some of these tests and measurements?, with out a doubt, does it matter?, not in the least. It has the best PQ that I have had in my home using my KP57WS500. I currently own a Sony RDR-GX7 and a Cambridge Audio AZUR 540D. Past players include a Technics DVD-A10 and a Sony DVPNS999ES. It beats them all hands down. Is that measurable? Who cares?, it's what I see on my screen that matters. How much I enjoy watching it is what is most important to me. If it passes tests like below black, 2-2 cadence, etc, etc, blah, blah , blah does not concern me in the slightest. Like I said earlier they all fail some aspects of these tests. I read on these forums all the time where people won't buy a particular machine because they failed in one test or another so they wait for the next years model again expecting perfection.
All I can say is that visually I'm totally happy with the 975V. Watching movies with it is a real treat.
I have built my audio system to take advantage of a DVD player that has internal decoding for DD/DTS. I run full range speakers on every channel that allows me to not have to use any kind of bass management. I have a pure analog signal path from the DVD player to my amp. In my experience I have always found that to sound better than to have the signal digitally processed inside a receiver//pre/pro. The reason that Sony receivers such as the DA3ES/DA4ES/DA5ES/DA7ES has impressed me so much is the way handle analog signals. You can shut off the video and digital circuits while in the analog direct mode. That's when they sound their best. If I did not have the need to digitally process the signal from my X-Box, PS-2 and Digital cable box I would use an all analog multi channel preamp.
My Audio Refinement pre/pro was chosen because no other unit on the market at or near it's price is as musical or has a better analog direct mode. It's currently at the Parts Connexion getting the analog input and output stages completely upgraded/modded. I have been using a NAD T750 analog 5.1 ready receiver which they built to be used with their DVD player from a few years ago that had internal DD/DTS decoding to test the 975V. It has the qualities of their 2 channel preamps which has always been a music first approach. In other words I have not yet heard the 975V at it best yet I'm totally impressed with how it sounds.
I watched a couple of concert DVD's (Depeche Modene Night In Paris;Peter Gabriel:Growing Up Live) and was totally involved with the music this player produced. I find it hard enough to get these compression schemes like DD/DTS to sound musical but the 975V really delivered the goods.
I next tried some multi channel SA-CD's and truth be told I was not expecting much. Man was I wrong. To say that I was impressed would be an understatement. The qaulities that I have found missing from other Sony SA-CD players that I haved owned like the SCDC555ES and DVPNS999ES was there in abundance.
Qualities like rythym, pace and timing. Listening to discs like Godsmack:The Other Side on multi channel SA-CD was really fun. The 975V has the qualities that I mentioned and the drive to let the music come through. I have not heard another Sony DVD player that I thought was musical and would allow me to connect with music emotionally. It's a total blast to listen to.
I don't know how they did it but I believe Sony has a real winner with the 975V. It sells for $500 in Canada and think it's worth every penny. For how well it performs I think it's a bargain. If the 775V even comes close to it then it's a steal.
Is there better DVD players on the market?, for sure, will they fail some of these silly tests, with out a doubt, does it matter?, I don't think so. My advise, go out and get yourself a 775V/975V and forget about the reviews with their measurements that you are going to read else where. It performs beyond my high expectations and I have not even heard it at its best. I can hardly wait to get my pre/pro back so I can really put it to the test.
Were you able to test the HDMI ??? I have a KF-50WE610 and had a SAMSUNG With DVI.. Black Crush sucked... I sold it on Ebay..
I am 2 minutes away from orderingthis 975.. Please tell me the upconvert is worth it on a fixed pixel set..
Also does it use the Farudja (Spelling) chip?
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Filipinoyakuza
Sony Buff
Joined: Aug 09, 2004
Posts: 22
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I want to hear from anyone who has purchased the 975 and has connected to a CRT such as the KD-34XBR960 and is using the HDMI port and cables and see if there is still a wow factor.
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
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Posts: 18
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-14 21:18
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-15 01:00
To climb the ladder, to where may I ask? I'm perfectly happy just where I am. Do you really think that my employer is on this forum giving me good marks for praising Sony products. I'm probably more critical of them then most people because I know what they are capable of.
I have absolutely no clue who any of these people on this forum are. I just like talking to them, we seem to have this thing in common it's called owning and enjoying Sony products. Considering the vast majority are Americans if each and every one of them went out and purchased a 975V tomorrow it would have no effect on my personal life what so ever, other than my knowledge that there are other people out there enjoying their player as much as I do.
I have owned a Sony SA-CD player that listed for $2500, a DVD/SA-CD player that cost $2000, a DVD recorder that originally sold for $1300 and this $500 player beats them all for shear enjoyment. The best picture I have ever seen on my TV, and sound quality that is just plan fun to listen to. I call that a bargain.
About pricing sorry about that I never knew it would upset anyone. I'll have a word with the president of Sony Of Canada as soon as I get into the office at Sony Corporate Head Office in the morning. What on earth are you thinking?? You obviously don't have a clue about the costs of distribution. How can you compare what something costs here to what it costs in the US? There are more people in California than there are in Canada, yet we cover a larger land mass.
Have you had a look at companies like Denon and their pricing policy? It's no different, a DVD player that sells in the US for 1300 goes for $1900.
I'm just a guy that likes to enjoy my audio/video system and share my experiences. My most prized pieces of equipment are not Sony by the way. If you want to read more into than that go ahead. Any other personal attacks you'd like to make??
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
 | Posted: 2004-11-15 01:51
rb- 4KDisplay has obviously not been here on the forum long enough to learn of the extent of your Audiophile grade Audio electronics and your true intentions here at Agoraquest otherwise he would not have put on the 4k watt Display of ignorance that he did.
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-15 13:53
Thanks Maxx-- Sony is such a huge company and my place in it is so far removed from a position that would have any effect on it's corporate decisions.
His comments are laughable.
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-15 14:19
rb- For those of us who have been the beneficiaries of your many postings here for the last 1 1/2 years it did seem odd that he went off like that.
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
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Posts: 18
From:
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-11-15 16:22
Let't cool it fellows! Enough is enough!
BTW, technology has advanced so much that it is entirely possible that a player that cost $500 today could match the performance of one that cost $2000 five years ago!
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-15 16:22
4KDisplay- Kindly remit your Sony equipment list and photo verification.
To put forth an arguement takes a few minutes time, but to make 7000 posts would take several years and few thousand hours of your time! There is a difference.
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
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From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-15 17:58
Not sure what business it is of yours what I pay for Sony product, I just showed list price. That's like me walking into a GM dealership in Detroit or Windsor and being angry at the sales guy because employees don't have to pay as much for their car.
I tell you what I won't respond to you anymore because you obviously have some issues. You are probably used to having people ignore anyway.
Still not sure why you felt the need to vent on someone that is a Sony sales person instead of someone at corporate office. Like I have any say in how they conduct business in this country.
SEE YA
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4KDisplay
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Posts: 18
From:
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-16 04:01
4KDisplay- The only reason that I could think of that the US and Canadian prices for Sony equipment would be that much different is due to the volume of merchandise that is sold in each respective country. They must have an economic model they use to determine these prices and its not just Canada that gets the higher prices.
That's quite a collection of Sony equipment. How many rooms do you have this equipment operating in?
I have about 17 pieces of Sony equipment that I have collected over the last 30 years.
For the last 5 years I have been paying more attention to my NOS outfitted Vacuum Tube seperates and the array of high speed outboard processors, Digital decoding equipment, exotic ultra pure cryogenicaly treated silver electrical Digital wiring with custom made terminations, high bandwidth Fused Silica Glass Optical Toslink, I2S bus Digital transfer, Hi Tech line conditioning, custom made AC transfer devices, silverfuse power cords with hospital grade (green dot) terminatons, quadrouple network filtered power cords, beefed up power supplies, broadband RFI filtering, custom tuned Analog interconnects, silverfuse speaker wires, Studio Monitors on 30 lb granite slabs, 96 sq. ft. of Auralex Studiofoam and hundereds and hundereds of hours of meticulous mass loading and precise Resonance Tuning that it takes to raise the sound of my Sony CX 300 to Audiophile standard.
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-11-16 12:29
4KDisplay-
Only you can see pictures in links to your PC. In order for us all to see them, you need to click the picture icon and upload your pictures to Agoraquest. We are anxious to see them! Also, you might consider posting them in the "Home Theater Gallery" instead of here. I wish we could get Maxx to take and upload pictures of his equipment and listening rooms. I am sure that would be a site to see!
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boulderskies
Sonyphile
Joined: Dec 31, 2002
Posts: 760
From: Phoenix, Arizona
 | Posted: 2004-11-16 13:16
Maxx, Please help me remind these two knuckleheads that the purpose of this forum is to exchange technical advice and opinions, not to denigrate another member. Or to brag about how much equipment one has.
Once I waded thru the personal attacks, I did pick up some interesting information about the 775 and the 975. This morning I found out, with the benefit of AgoraQuest, that I am the unfortunate owner of the deeffective DVP-S560D. I did register for the class action lawsuit, to what avail, I'm not sure. I then went ahead and purchased the 775, not wanting to continue to struggle with the 560. I'll have a review in upcoming days.
Scott
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Maxxwire
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Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-16 13:48
John- Unfortunately my Sony W-250 Internet Terminal and its 167M hz operating sysyem does not posess the capability to post Digital pictures to the Agoraquest website.
I found that that with some High Tech Digital wizardry from Dan Shifter and Mike Moffat I was able to turn my Sony CX 300 Megachanger into a Music machine on a par with any Lexicon, Krell, Enlightened Audio Designs or Meridian Digital processing equipment that I have heard, but I'm afraid the Sony W-250 is just a victim of its own simplicity and there are no upgrades that I know of that can change that.
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Maxxwire
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Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-16 14:03
Scott- It is unfortunate that some people feel the need to level personal attacks here on the Forum, but hopefully this particular incident has run its course and we can get back to the business at hand.
Congratulations on your new 775v player! I will be going over to Dan Wright's soon and I will be asking him about the modification designs that he has for both the 775v and the 975v. Dan is world famous for his very effective modification upgrades and I'll let you know has he has planned for these two Sony players.
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
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Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-11-16 16:35
Maxx,
It sounds like your 167MHz W-250 Sony W-250 Internet Terminal is even older than my Gateway G6-300XL (300 MHz, circa 1997)! Do you have a dial-up or broadband internet connection?
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Maxxwire
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Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-16 18:22
This unit is dial up only. If it were a piece of Audio equipment it would be a portable radio with AM band reception only and no headphone jack.
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-16 22:10
On 2004-11-16 18:22, Maxxwire wrote:
This unit is dial up only. If it were a piece of Audio equipment it would be a portable radio with AM band reception only and no headphone jack.
_Maxx
Maxx: We're showing our age when we say things like that!!! My son is here with me and was laughing at the idea of an AM only radio......I didn't want to tell him that DVDs haven't been around all that long.....and I choose not to discuss 8-tracks at all....hmmmmmm
The Doob
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jttar
Sony Master
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
Posts: 9156
From: Chicago,IL, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-16 22:42
DoobieWah,
Some of my fondest childhood memories are the hours that I spent with my 9V AM transistor radio listening to WLS here in Chicago. The reception was so poor that I had to point it in the right direction just to get a signal but it was a big improvement over the single crystal radio that I had previously. I don't know if you remember those but it was the one where you clipped an alligator clip to the telephone to act as an antenna. Talk about 8 tracks, somewhere up in my attic I still have a four track player with a handful of 4 track tapes. I don't feel that old (mentally) but we sure have come a long way technically in our lifetime.
Joe
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-17 00:00
Doob- Warning! If your son is still there in the room you may want to have him divert his eyes from the screen.
When I was a senior in High School our final project was to build a 5 Tube Superhetrodyne Radio Receiver from scratch. Not exactly rocket science eh?
_Maxx
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-17 00:37
On 2004-11-16 13:48, Maxxwire wrote:
John- Unfortunately my Sony W-250 Internet Terminal and its 167M hz operating sysyem does not posess the capability to post Digital pictures to the Agoraquest website.
I found that that with some High Tech Digital wizardry from Dan Shifter and Mike Moffat I was able to turn my Sony CX 300 Megachanger into a Music machine on a par with any Lexicon, Krell, Enlightened Audio Designs or Meridian Digital processing equipment that I have heard, but I'm afraid the Sony W-250 is just a victim of its own simplicity and there are no upgrades that I know of that can change that.
_Maxx
Maxx would you care to elaborate on what Dan Shifter and Mike Moffat did to your player. I would assume the improvements would be global in that there would be benefit even if the player was sending a digital stream to a pre/pro/receiver instead of a outboard DAC whether the data was DD/DTS or in your case PCM.
Start another thread perhaps.
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DoobieWah
Sony Devotee
Joined: May 06, 2004
Posts: 95
From: West Coast, USA
| Posted: 2004-11-17 00:59
On 2004-11-17 00:00, Maxxwire wrote:
Doob- Warning! If your son is still there in the room you may want to have him divert his eyes from the screen.
When I was a senior in High School our final project was to build a 5 Tube Superhetrodyne Radio Receiver from scratch. Not exactly rocket science eh?
_Maxx
Maxx:
I still have all my original Heathkit radios on a shelf in the garage...and they all work, too! Wouldn't it be nice to get Heathkit back? I would love it if my sons could learn like I did....I remember spending hours pouring over their latest catalogs....
Gosh, Superhetrodyne....wow...back then, that was rocket science to me!!! This whole discussion is bringing smiles to my face....thnx!
The Doob
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boulderskies
Sonyphile
Joined: Dec 31, 2002
Posts: 760
From: Phoenix, Arizona
| Posted: 2004-11-17 12:01
Maxx,
I, like RB would very interested in the upgrades Dan Wright has done. A new thread would be preferred.
Thanks,
Scott
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-17 13:49
rb- These upgrades were not to the CX 300 itself, but rather upgrades via outboard Digital processing via Dan Shifter's Audio Alchemy designs which Robert Harley described as "Magic" and "possessing the attributes of the most expesive Digital equipment" and since he owns the Mark Levinson 31.5/ 30.5 Transport /DAC combo I assume he knows what he's talking about.
In fact he said that the insertion of the Audio Alchemy DTI Pro between his Transport and DAC even improved that $25,000 Reference grade combination with its Resolution Enhancement algorithm.
Mike Moffat of course is the designer for Theta Digital and he designed my Outboard DAC.
I also have a device that takes the S/PDIF Digital output and pumps it up from its stock .2v @ 30-50 ns risetime to 1.2v
@ 3 ns risetime while reclocking the signal with a measured 82% reduction in jitter.
I would have had the CX 300 modified, but even here in Portland no one will modify a Sony Megachanger, so I did the next best thing and took on the task of doing the upgrading externally.
After the Digital signal is reclocked and the data and timing clocks are seperated into jitter free I2S and run thru the Resolution Enhancement algorithm it sounds at least as good as the best outboard processing I've heard in any of the Audio shops around town, of course I do have the home court advantage because my equipment and acoustics are fine tuned to my liking and each of the Digital processors has high quality 5N silver wiring and has its own individuated high current power supply.
I've read many places that you can't make a Sony Megachanger sound Musical. Well, it took me over 4 years and thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of time and I'm still in the processess working on it, but I'm getting there.
Why bother with a lowly Sony Megachanger you ask? I'm a project kind of guy and buying a Krell, Wadia or the latest Hi End Sony player that sounds great right out of the box just doesn't interest me.
The great satisfaction for me is making something out of almost nothing by switching the Preamp from the Analog outputs of the Megachanger to the Analog outputs of the Theta DAC the improvement in the sound is as Magical as the Alchemist of old turning lead into gold.
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Maxxwire
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From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-17 13:56
boulderskies- I should be going over to Dan's next week and I will keep you posted on any proposed modification plans that he has for the 775v or 975v.
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
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Posts: 18
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-17 20:09
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4KDisplay
Sony Buff
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Posts: 18
From:
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theo1
Sony Fan
Joined: Nov 17, 2004
Posts: 1
From: Greece
 | Posted: 2004-11-17 21:05
any news about dvp ns-975v coming to europe+anyone has connected dvp-ns975v to lcd projector with a div-i input using a hdmi+dvi-i adaptor?
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-17 22:44
4KDisplay- As far as paying retail most of us around here aviod it. We often share about discounts we find in order to save money so that we can buy more equipment at a discount.
Many of our Members work in Home Entertainment equipment sales and enjoy a healthy discount on the equipment they buy and I value their recommendations because they get to use such a wide variety of equipment and they know which equipment is worth buying. Junk is not worth buying no matter how deep the discount.
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4KDisplay
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-18 03:54
The brick and mortar Sony Authorized stores here in my area are the same way with their top of the line merchandise. They won't come down a nickel even after a newer model has come out. I once saw the Sony Only store selling a TA F808ES integrated amp for the full $1,700 retail 6 years after it came out.
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rb
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Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-11-19 00:28
On 2004-11-18 01:14, 4KDisplay wrote:
All the brick & mortar stores in my area (A & B Sound, FutureShop, and Visions) say they can't cut me a deal until Sony Canada authorizes the SonyStores to do so...
This is absolutely not true. Once a reatailer buys product from Sony it's theirs to sell for what ever price they want to. They could give them away. It's against Canadian law to dictate to someone a price that a product must be sold for. The only regulation would be not to sell it for above MSRP. That would be price gouging.
Sony of Canada in no way dictates to the Sony Stores that they can not discount product. We do it every day, with a market as competitive as here in Calgary if we didn't we would never sell anything.
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-19 03:31
The only discounts I ever got at the Sony Only store were through a friend of mine who worked there. Never under estimate what a salesman can do if he is properly motivated.
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sondogg
Sony Buff
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Posts: 11
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-20 14:34
Hi all. I'm reading through this thread and I want to post thoughts, but I have already done so in another thread. I don't know if linking other threads here is allowed, but I'm going to try anyway. I give my opinions on how the 975 looks on a xbr960 connected with an HDMI cable. Like I said in the past thread I'm going to do a write up on both the TV and the DVD player very soon, I just don't know which forum to put it in. Have at it guys.
http://www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?topic=17295&forum=50
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jehill
Sony Senior Advisor
Joined: Mar 13, 2003
Posts: 13791
From: Sewell, NJ
| Posted: 2004-11-20 15:59
No problem at all providing a link to another thread, but it is helpful if it is active as follows: http://www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?topic=17295&forum=50
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-20 23:19
sondogg- We're looking forward to your review.
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sondogg
Sony Buff
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Posts: 11
From:
| Posted: 2004-11-21 14:35
On 2004-11-20 23:19, Maxxwire wrote:
sondogg- We're looking forward to your review.
_Maxx
You've got it, here is the TV and the DVD player reviews.
TV: http://www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?topic=17434&forum=35
Dvd Player: http://www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?topic=17439&forum=50
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Maxxwire
Sony Adept
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Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-21 14:47
Thanks for the very detailed and comprehensive reviews and for all of the time it must have taken to for you to post them.
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keoni
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Joined: Nov 25, 2004
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| Posted: 2004-11-25 13:27
Thanks for all the reviews and advice. I have an old Toshiba SD-5700 with progressive scan hooked up to my new Denon 3805 receiver. I'm pleased with the picture that is displayed on my 57" Toshiba RP. However with DVD+R the Toshiba dvd sometimes freezes -likely when the laser gets hot and there is a lot of fast forwarding & chapter jumping. I hope the Sony is better than this as there have been lots of techical advances in the three years since I bought the older dvd player. Also I figured since Sony is solidly in the dvd+r camp, their players should be good at playing these discs.
I was going to purchase the Denon 1910 ($400.00 CDN) dvd player but reviews taked about the noticeable blocking with the Faroudja chip used. Same for the 2910 and I didn't want to spend $1900.00 for the Denon 3910 which has an upgraded Faroudja chip.
After some research I decided on a Sony NS775V. It was not available at my local Sony store but they had about 50 boxes of the 575 for $149.00 that they were eager to sell. So I ordered the 775 online yesterday at sony.ca and I'm still waiting for the shipping email 24 h later. One nice thing is the current promotion of a free Spiderman 2 DVD with the purchase.
I just found this site today and it makes me even happier that I ordered the 775. The 995 sounds good but my three year old TV doesn't have DVI connectors anyways. Thanks for all the advice guys. It assures me I made a good choice.
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Maxxwire
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Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-11-25 15:32
Please let us know how the DVP NS775v works out for you once you get it.
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pattercw
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Joined: Jul 21, 2003
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|  Posted: 2004-12-20 13:15
I have the 775 and the 975 hooked up to my 55xs955. THe 975 is using a Monster HDMI cable(video . THe 775 is using a Monster component cable(video5). I have not seen a big difference in picture quality. I will continue to test.
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Maxxwire
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Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 25730
From: Portland, Oregon - USA
| Posted: 2004-12-20 13:52
It could be that te 775 and 975 have some common Video circuitry.
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pattercw
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|  Posted: 2004-12-21 12:14
After watching two different movies. I did not see any improvement from the 775 to 975. The one problem I had with the 775 is it would not play my IMAX dvd. The 975 had no problems. So I am keeping the 975.
975- HDMI (video
775- Component (video5)
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rb
Ultimate Sony Reviewer
Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2035
From: Canada
| Posted: 2004-12-29 21:09
I have had a chance to test the 975V with a HDMI to DVI cable on my KP57WS500 and I prefer the HDMI/DVI connection over component. There is a slight improvemnt in detail, I can see things that could not with component video connection, things like the details in Nemo's scales and vegatation. Close ups of people faces show blemishes and imperfections. Different types of material in clothing such as those in The Matrix Revolutions is more obvious.
It's not dramatic but it an improvement. I find it looks best when the 975 is set to 720 x 480P. The up-scaling resolutions adds some artifacting.
HDMI/DVI is worth in my case as it frees up a component video connection.
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