Hello,

Please correct me if I am wrong but the side by side test results showed me that the AR9's don't seem to be that great. There should be no way that a speaker with a 6 1/2" woofer should be able to hold it's own with something that has twice the cabinet space and a 15" woofer.

Am I the only one out there thinking this? My god that means there would be no comparison if you got a sub (in which the manufacturers intend for you to have.)

I know I am going against the grain and by no means would want to offend but why not save about 10 cubic feet of space with keeping the new speakers! LOL....

Also while I am kicking out my .02 cents, I would throw in the little extra dough and get the 90ED's. This as Rufas says gives you bi-wiring and another woofer. (Again this is all just my .02 cents)
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On 2004-07-30 02:45, Maxxwire wrote:
When it comes to speakers its like Les Paul said "Every speaker in production today is based on patents issued before 1930".

Unlike other Audio equipment speakers don't become obsolete after a few years. With speakers quality is all that counts and that never becomes obsolete.

The AR-9's were made in the mid 1970's and very well may have drivers with AlNiCo magnets which are so prohibitively expensive today that you only see them used in speakers like Alon of which the entry level models cost around $10,000/pr.

If you are looking for modern speakers that will be able to sonicly compete with the quality of the AR-9's you should look for speakers which have a pricepoint that is commensurate with what the inflation adjusted $1,800 MSRP of the AR-9's were which would be $7,500 in 2004 US currency.

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Maxx:

While I agree with most of your statements I have to disagree with some of them. The one I have the biggest problem with is your inflation amounts. That’s like saying a 1950's Buick is better because of the expensive steel it took to make them, this idea discredits one huge factor that you aren't mentioning. That advances in technology and engineering don't account for anything. Heck with that theory old red and white rca jack cables are better because the plastic or glass optical ones they use for audio today are cheaper to make. While I am a huge fan of vintage stuff I know that advances in some cases make a better product. For instance materials and production values of a 1970's TV with all the tubes and stuff would cost considerably more money to make today, but there is no way in hell I would trade it for my HD Sony that I have sitting in my living room.referrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> ath o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f">ath>

BTW- this is just .02 cents, I love Maxx! He is the man, but I had to mix it up a bit! You old guys were getting all teary eyed on me! HeHe

Rich:

Now you are making my first point pretty true! There is no way a 6 1/2" woofer should be able to compete with a 12". I do say that your test is still a bit biased though because you are testing every sonic range between the two speakers, but those 70ED's need a sub. As I mentioned before manufacturers expect that these days. The days of the old two huge speaker towers are gone. Speakers need to be more versatile because of HT. Now if I am just sitting there listening to 2 channel stereo, it's hard to beat my old JBL's, but I now have other needs and it changed my arrangements accordingly. If you have the room in your place keep them both, but I would get the 90ED's instead.
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Maxx:

Point well taken, but I still do think they have made some advances in speakers over the last 50 years, i.e. Kevlar and metal tweeters, cabinet shapes and the like.fficeffice" />>>

Also just as speakers use many old patents, automobiles do also. Anything that has a manufacturing history does. Think about gun manufacturers, many companies use old patents, but let me tell you newer weaponry is superior in many ways.

Another point I wanted to make about your inflation calculator is that something like speakers or TV's back in the day had a higher value in general. This was newer technology at the time. My father talks about a time when his family (wealthy) was the only people on the block who owned a TV. My example is the VCR, or DVD player. You can't really calculate that accurately. For instance my old Sony DVD player 560D was pretty darn expensive back in the day as compared to my new one (can't remember the model number), but by using your calculator it would suggest that my old model would cost way more to make in today’s terms.>>

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While I know that the inflation calculator is not the holly bible and is used for fun, but in the grand scope of things it’s not very accurate.


 
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[ This message was edited by: mech on 2004-07-30 18:02 ]